Concentration camps in the 21st Century. The world sits and

[Global Citizen]

The atrocities around the globe are increasing by the day and the international community watches still!!!



Was the war justified... lets not argue that. As it has been proven it was not.



But what about the atrocities.

Raping children so that thier parents speak up ?

Humilating people for the fun of it ?



http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=6108



The Gods may have cried when they saw one human being humilating another by using an Animal (Dogs being let on people)!!!



All this to support the elite few ?

All this to control Oil Prices ?



Will Humanity wake up ?

[malakpetmasala]

The atrocities around the globe are increasing by the day and the international community watches still!!!

Was the war justified... lets not argue that. As it has been proven it was not.

But what about the atrocities.
Raping children so that thier parents speak up ?
Humilating people for the fun of it ?

http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=6108

The Gods may have cried when they saw one human being humilating another by using an Animal (Dogs being let on people)!!!

All this to support the elite few ?
All this to control Oil Prices ?

Will Humanity wake up ?

and do what? smell the coffee?

[DQ]

The Rhetoric was....we are out there to eliminate terrorism!!



What is terrorism ..



"Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. “The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets,”



“Then, when I heard the screaming I climbed the door … and I saw [the soldier’s name is deleted] who was wearing a military uniform.”



How the coalition is eliminating terrorism ?

“He had the skinniest arms I’ve ever seen. He was trembling all over. His wrists were so thin we couldn’t even put handcuffs on him. Right when I saw him for the first time, and took him for interrogation, I felt sorry for him.



“The interrogation specialists poured water over him and put him into a car. Then they drove with him through the night, and at that time it was very, very cold. Then they smeared him with mud and showed him to his father, who was also in custody. They had tried out other interrogation methods on him, but he wasn’t to be brought to talk. The interrogation specialists told me, after the father had seen his son in this state, his heart broke. He wept and promised to tell them everything they wanted to know.”



THIS IS NOT TO INCITE ANY HATERED!!! THINK OVER, WHAT IS HUMANITY COMMING TO ?

[MM]

The Rhetoric was....we are out there to eliminate terrorism!!

What is terrorism ..

"Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. “The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets,”

“Then, when I heard the screaming I climbed the door … and I saw [the soldier’s name is deleted] who was wearing a military uniform.”

How the coalition is eliminating terrorism ?
“He had the skinniest arms I’ve ever seen. He was trembling all over. His wrists were so thin we couldn’t even put handcuffs on him. Right when I saw him for the first time, and took him for interrogation, I felt sorry for him.

“The interrogation specialists poured water over him and put him into a car. Then they drove with him through the night, and at that time it was very, very cold. Then they smeared him with mud and showed him to his father, who was also in custody. They had tried out other interrogation methods on him, but he wasn’t to be brought to talk. The interrogation specialists told me, after the father had seen his son in this state, his heart broke. He wept and promised to tell them everything they wanted to know.”

THIS IS NOT TO INCITE ANY HATERED!!! THINK OVER, WHAT IS HUMANITY COMMING TO ?

God Bless America!

[Mayavi Morpheus]

War is Justified. No doubt about it. Saddam had to go, Iraq had to be freed.

But are US actions post war justified? A Big NO.

That is no way to handle the security of country post war. US soldiers are simply not trained to handle situations like this. Force cannot and should not be used.

Killing 300 people using gunships to control a riot, killing a whole marriage party just because their suspect is a guest there is totally unacceptable.

US army should be tried for the war crimes.

[Malakpetmasala]

War is Justified. No doubt about it. Saddam had to go, Iraq had to be freed.
But are US actions post war justified? A Big NO.
That is no way to handle the security of country post war. US soldiers are simply not trained to handle situations like this. Force cannot and should not be used.
Killing 300 people using gunships to control a riot, killing a whole marriage party just because their suspect is a guest there is totally unacceptable.
US army should be tried for the war crimes.

It happened in Japan about 60 years ago, Rwanda about 10 years ago, now its iraq s time to pay the price, who cares, atleast not me until it comes to me. if anyone had to do anything, why could nt they send troops for Iraq s defence aagainst america s occupation. Dude, once again, if it is justice u aare looking for, you are certainly on the wrong planet. sad but true ay!

[DQ]

War is Justified. No doubt about it. Saddam had to go, Iraq had to be freed.

There again you err.

It explains
1. You do not look into history.

Democracy cannot be gained by an external force. Its a natural process. If you had a little bit of understanding of history, you would not have commented

Saddam was funded and his arms were fuelled by most of the current coalition forces, in the 80s to fight Iran.

The atrocities that they blame Saddam for (Most of them) were carried on when he was their best ally ??

Raiding him for what you fuelled ????

If Saddam had to go, truly it was upto the Iraqis. It was bound to happen.
His power had crippled with the global sanctions. The next uprising would have spelled his doom.

Anyway, this post is not to argue war. It is to bring about highlighting the state of mind of a normal Human Being these days. Humanity is at its weakest !!!

who cares, atleast not me until it comes to me

Though I would hate to quote this guy after reading his earlier reply about "Coffee"!!! But it shows the state of affairs.

Probably when your turn comes it will be too late!!!

Maybe you maybe the father and your kid......!!![/quote]

[Mayavi Morpehsu]

There again you err.

It explains
1. You do not look into history.

baaaah... if you dig two months old threads you will find that I posted the exact same stuff you posted above long before you even registered on this forum. I opposed the reason US gave for war, which is NBC weapons and ties with terrorrists, but I supported war on Iraq and on Afghanistan too.

[DQ]

I opposed the reason US gave for war, which is NBC weapons and ties with terrorrists, but I supported war on Iraq and on Afghanistan too.

I opposed the reason, supported the war ????



Why support, when the base is false?



Is it so easy. Innocent lives lost!!! You support it.



Is this eliminating terror!!!



Najaf deputy governor Jawdat Kadam Najem al-Kuraishi resigned in protest "against all the US terrorist operations that they are doing against this holy city."



You went in to free these people!!



Is this not a humanitarian crisis. Or just because the caolition is carrying it out it can be justified.

[malakpetmasala]

War is Justified. No doubt about it. Saddam had to go, Iraq had to be freed.

who cares, atleast not me until it comes to me

Though I would hate to quote this guy after reading his earlier reply about "Coffee"!!! But it shows the state of affairs.

Probably when your turn comes it will be too late!!!

Maybe you maybe the father and your kid......!!!

[/quote]



exactly, thats exactly i wanted to say my friend, i can see it coming in Saudi Arabia in the next few years. rich countries, with all the riches in the world, but to what? look wwhat the people are doing?/ selling earth to make a living, well, to a point thats totally fair enuff, its ur country, its totally ur wish, sell ur women, sell oil sell whatever u want to live a luxiruous life, but at the same time, what are u doing with the money u get from it? spend build lavish palaces, buy the best of accessories in the world. instead, if they spend even a quarter of it in infrastructural development of the country to lay a solid basis for mass education, if they are taught to be self sufficient in technology, knowledgable enough to foresee the future, where would a chance for a saddam to taake over the country with the help of so called "mates from the west".



and on the other haand, look at N korea, i dont mean to ssupportt what they are doing, but to site as an example, they are technologically strong and have a solid base for their masses to be self sufficient and i dare america to attack them on the name of weapons of mass destruction



dude, i ll wait till comes to me! and its never too late as long as i know what i am doing!

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Saddam is dicatotor. He killed 1000's of people. Suppressed Shiites, killed them. 100's of mass graves were found after war. Saddam should be ousted. Without eexternal support it couldnt not be done as saddam is way too powerful.

US needs oil, it is not interested in saving iraqis. NBC weapons was the reason cited for war which is not true as they didnt have any proof.



War is the only way saddam could be ousted.

Oil is the only reason why US will wage a war.

So whatever reasons they may be, saddam is ousted which is what everyone wants.

Read my first post for my views on US handling post-war situation.

[malakpetmasala]

You went in to free these people!!

.

did they ask u to free them?

[malakpetmasala]

Saddam is dicatotor. He killed 1000's of people. Suppressed Shiites, killed them. 100's of mass graves were found after war. Saddam should be ousted. Without eexternal support it couldnt not be done as saddam is way too powerful.
US needs oil, it is not interested in saving iraqis. NBC weapons was the reason cited for war which is not true as they didnt have any proof.

War is the only way saddam could be ousted.
Oil is the only reason why US will wage a war.
So whatever reasons they may be, saddam is ousted which is what everyone wants.
Read my first post for my views on US handling post-war situation.

how about all the native americans who were killed by the white settlers in america? well, compared to what the early americans did, i dont think what saddam was doing is anythign wrong. its all relative.

but then, Nature has its own way to control its components, remember Darwin~

[Mayavi Morpheus]

and on the other haand, look at N korea, i dont mean to ssupportt what they are doing, but to site as an example, they are technologically strong and have a solid base for their masses to be self sufficient and i dare america to attack them on the name of weapons of mass destruction

ummm... North korea and Technologically strong and self sufficient?

Dude, NK is starving, people are dying there. If today the UN stops supplying food millions will die. The only reason US doesnt attack NK is because NK doesnt have OIL. As simple as that.

Besides, seoul is in the range of artillery guns of NK and will be destroyed within minutes of declaration of war.

Anyway, this is way off topic.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

how about all the native americans who were killed by the white settlers in america? well, compared to what the early americans did, i dont think what saddam was doing is anythign wrong. its all relative.
but then, Nature has its own way to control its components, remember Darwin~

Valid point. But then we cant live in past, can we? Many things will come up if we start digging past, like Why shouldnt we nuke Britan or pakistan

[malakpetmasala]

how about all the native americans who were killed by the white settlers in america? well, compared to what the early americans did, i dont think what saddam was doing is anythign wrong. its all relative.
but then, Nature has its own way to control its components, remember Darwin~

Valid point. But then we cant live in past, can we? Many things will come up if we start digging past, like Why shouldnt we nuke Britan or pakistan

my friend, Saddam killing thousands of men is history as well.

[marko]

my friend, Saddam killing thousands of men is history as well.

it is now, but might not have been had he not been deposed. I oppose the reasons for war, the actual war itself, and the post war conduct, but not removing Sadam from power (never really given as an original reason for war). Tricky to remove someone from power without war, you might say, but the US has done it all over the world, most notably in South America, and South East Asia.



The problem with the regeme change argument for the US is that they're burried up to their elbows in lots of violent regemes throughout the world. It's very obvious that they don't care a bit for the lifes of the Iraqi's, only for their own economic interests in the area.



Anyhow, this is all really old news. The real question now is, who's next?

[CtrlAltDel]

Saddam is an a***h*** who deserves what he is getting right now..but it no way justifies America's reasons for going to war. USA has no credibility now....

[DQ]

There again all of you go off track.

The post was about the atrocities post war! Not what Saddam was or justification of war itself.



The Atrocities post war. Is it not high time humanity rose.



Complete disregard for human life. Put your self in their place.??

[marko]

Is it not high time humanity rose.

?

[CtrlAltDel]

Is it not high time humanity rose.

?

good question, marko...

[rock_26iin]

The Atrocities post war

why would u want to discuss the post-war atrocities when the war itself cud have been avoided?



The U.S. had no business poking its nose into what was happening in Iraq, except the fact that it had oil. U.S. knew that this was a major weakness, a chink in their armour if u may, hence it sought ways to have a fixed source of oil. America wud come to a stand still if Iraq had defeated America.



The Americans only look out for themselves and make it look like they are doing it for "the safety of world peace". There was only one organization which could and should have intervened and tht was the U.N.O. and tht too cud just sit with its hands on its knees and become a spectator.



rock out!

[azazel]

its a shame wht the current situation in Iraq is.. all the could'ves/should'ves are a waste at this moment.. the way i see it, the only possible solution now is the U.S + others gettin their ppl outta Iraq n let Iraqis sort out the mess they've been pummelled into by the war.. the rest of the world can only help in the rebuilding process by contributing financially/medically or ne other way possible..

[DQ]

its a shame wht the current situation in Iraq is.. all the could'ves/should'ves are a waste at this moment.. the way i see it, the only possible solution now is the U.S + others gettin their ppl outta Iraq n let Iraqis sort out the mess they've been pummelled into by the war.. the rest of the world can only help in the rebuilding process by contributing financially/medically or ne other way possible..

This answers Markos ? and CAD reaffirment.



Its time all forces left Iraq. Yes there may be blood shed, yes there maybe internal conflicts, but is it not the case now?



All humans should call for an end to this occupation. Let Iraqis decide what they want.



Due to ongoing conflict so much innocent life is lost and what we do is just watch. All around the globe, people should get to gether and call for an end to Occupation and end the lie after lie episode.

[malakpetmasala]

its a shame wht the current situation in Iraq is.. all the could'ves/should'ves are a waste at this moment.. the way i see it, the only possible solution now is the U.S + others gettin their ppl outta Iraq n let Iraqis sort out the mess they've been pummelled into by the war.. the rest of the world can only help in the rebuilding process by contributing financially/medically or ne other way possible..

This answers Markos ? and CAD reaffirment.

Its time all forces left Iraq. Yes there may be blood shed, yes there maybe internal conflicts, but is it not the case now?

All humans should call for an end to this occupation. Let Iraqis decide what they want.



Due to ongoing conflict so much innocent life is lost and what we do is just watch. All around the globe, people should get to gether and call for an end to Occupation and end the lie after lie episode.

we are busy talking about death, while its slowly striking, killing thousands wihthout thinking that there would be people in some discussion board talkin bout it. funny haa!