do we need a seperation of AP

[Red Combat]

On second thought, lets split it up into couple more states, why just 2.

AP, BP, CP....ZP.

We can skip UP & MP - already taken.





What say junta ?

[HH]

Too many "P"s lose Meaning! ...

* If borders make people "distinct" rather than "separate", they may be welcome! - eg We have Gandhinagar in Hyderabad (next to Ashoknagar) and Secunderabad (opp Praga Tools), Bolakpur both sides of Kavadiguda Road ...

* "Areas" marked / observed / made more for ease of Administration & Policing may be welcome.

* The Ideal may be to return to Gandhiji's Gram Swaraj, Or Village Republics, as part of say the United Grams of India ...

* But the present practice and demand for the new "P"s is only to multiply the Post-Grabbers ... new Governor, new Chief Minister etc ...



Hence, Too many "P"s lose Meaning! ...

[Paris_dakar]

Sud
Registered User





Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 5:38 pm Post Subject: Separate State

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I have been reading numerous articles on the need for Telengana state and the comments abt coastal Andhra people taking away everything from telengana.I have my origins from Telengana though I have stayed out of AP for most of my years.The most important issue for people of Telengana is that they need to change their mindset.Most of them have not seen beyond Hyd or so called Telengana region and therefore all kinds of sillycomments are written in the manner we saw on our discussion boards
If you ask any house owner in Hyd who wants to rent his place, he will prefer Coastal Andhra people to that of Telengana anytime.Do you know why? Telengana people just cant keep their commitments, are known for cheating especially in money matters.
There is a huge difference in the way Andhra people conduct themselves and Telengana people do, in case of Telengana people they come across as ill educated, rough and having highly displeasing mannerisms(remember I am not saying all Telegana people, I mean the general public).
Any day people from Coastal regions are much better educated, much more hardworking and definitely more sincere than Telengana people. You can look at the Employed people,Doctors,Business Owners etc, Coastal people have made their mark everywhere due to their individual hardwork and efforts.
While I was traveling some days back, I met a group of Business people(mainly Marwaris and Gujratis) who were settled in hyd for abt 30years and it was their unanimous opinion that Telengana people are lazy and not at all trustworthy.This has come from their experience.They have their associates in coastal Andhra who don’t have any trouble with the local public.
If you travel by train anywhere in AP,the facilities provided in stations at Coastal Andhra are far better anyday than that of Telengana.
Telengana people should take lessons from Coastal Andhra people as to how they have made their mark in various sectors in Hyd-like Govt Jobs, Software field, Business,Other Professions etc.I think by asking for a separate state they just want to avoid their own weaknesses, so it is better to even improve now.
Other important thing is that Hyderabad as a city came to limelight just because of the work by CBN just like Telugu people got some identity due to NTR.People from Coastal regions have a major role in the development of Hyd, let us not ignore this fact.If you go outside AP,people laugh at the foolish way in which our politicians quarrel in public abt this statehood issue.If you have a separate state , you will have a much bigger problem in all scenarios given the quality of people we have in politicians and the local Telengana public.
Another objectionable idea is to drive Coastal Andhrapeople out of Hyd if Telengana is formed.To all such fools let them be reminded that as an Indian I can stay anywhere in the country and no one can order me where to stay.
My advice to people participating in the discussion and at a broader audience is to try and avoid unnecessary jingoism,strive hard in whatever you do, get educated and think rationally without falling prey to the useless talk of stupid politicians (BTW, we had more CMs from Telengana but what did they do for the region?).
We have much more pressings problems in our lives in all spheres, let us try to solve them rather than keep dividing the country into weaker states and entertain regional feelings and hatred towards one another.

Mr.. Sud though once u belonged (born) to Telangana u don't stay in Telangana and with ur post its clear that you have no idea bout Telangana /Telangana People and their Problems..


Telangana People were negelected by the Nizams Before their freedom and Andhra (Telugu) rulers..Cm's did nothing for Telangana People..

Just go to the villages of Telengana.. you don't find pure water to drink..People Work hard to get atleast one meal a day..

most of the people are uneducated.. they don't enjoy their rights...
they are dominated by some group of people in villages and these people see that no Economically Backward familiy come up in their life..

all those who became Chief ministers of AP were from some other regions of Ap But not Telangana.. though some the telangana people were given ministries..they were puppets in the hands of other People....

You all People say that HYDERABAD is the most developed city in AP.. and you show it as the symbol of Development in Telangana region....

but most of the people living in hyderabad are not True Hyderabadi's /Telangana people ..they came from other regions of AP/India and got settled in HYD....they became the richest people of HYD..

Still most of the HYD's /Telangana PPl living in HYD are below Poverty level....
these true hyderabadi's hardly go to Big Shoping malls/Imax's/Night Club's ect..

you just come to Old city to find the True life Style of True Hyderabadi's /Telangana People..

New Hyderabad is Polluted by the non-hyderabadi people who got settled in hyderabad....


the only way to protect True Hyderabad/Telangana Culture is by geting rid of the Non-Hyderabadi's who got settled in HYD.. or else the Non-hyderabadis must get Marraied to the Hyderabadi/Telangana People to get permission to live in Hyd/Telangana so that we bring some kind of Economic Equality and Oneness among the People of AP

What r you hitler's distant cousin? people will migrate to anydamn place where they can find a livlihood. cultures are always dynamic, you should know that if you claim to be hyderabadi. all that is hyderabadi has always been and always will be due to the open embrace of the new by te people. go figure!

[HH]

"Leaders" invariably "bleed" their Led! ... Telangana continues to be cheated, fooled and bled by successive leaders ... Only Burgula RKR, the Hyderabad CM, was the Statesman who saw a Great Future for the Telugu Speaking People in The Combined State of AP!

[rama krishna]

i too strongly oppose it- our state formed its shape for language purpose- we are unitedly living since 52 years let us maintain it forever

[Andhrawala]

Hi,

Eventhough i'm from andhra, I've concerns over telangana. but not on separate state. Here i'm bringing the double standards by congress. In 2004 elections, it was tiedup with TRS by giving the promise of second SRC or getting unanimity in the political parties to pass the telangaana bill. Based on the promise given by congress, everybody in telangana had voted infavour of them(Gorre kasaayi vaadini namminattu. paapam daaniki theliyadu vaadu daani champi thintaadani). But what happened? From the time TRS joined in the cabinet, it tortured the TRS men till they come out from the cabinet. And tried to split the party. Here i'm not talking infavour of TRS but the way that the congress treated the telangana people. In telugu there is a proverb "Eru daantetha varaku oda mallanna, Eru daataakaa bodi mallanna". Congress behaved like this. till they come to power they utilized TRS as a tool to acheive power. After then story u know. Even now also they doesn't want to ready for second SRC. And they are not giving statement like they are favour of united AP and not for telangana. this is purely "Avakaasavaadam".

On the otherhand, TDP beahved correctly(whether it is right for telangaana people or not). they stand on their party policies eventhough it can cause damage to their party in elections. and they didn't give any false promises to the people. and one more thing they never treated the telangana people as congress did. And tried to do favour to telangana. ex: IIT in basara. actually basara is remote area in telangana districts which is far away from development. once he wants to establish the IIT over there. he developed basara very well and in the process of creation of basic infrastructure to put that big educational insttue. this step will help the adilabad to develop. but what YSR did?he changed the location to medak which already developed. so who is best in aspects of development of telangaanaa?do u want fox cunning like congress or truth teller like TDP?

[DD]

TELANGANA



SUD & OTHERS HERE ARE YOUR ANSWERS, WHO APPOSE SEPERATE STATE



1. Why are we hearing separate Telangana slogan again?The demand for a separate state of Telangana isn’t new. Telanganites have very clearly expressed their opposition a decade before Andhra Pradesh was formed. They reasoned that in a united Andhra Pradesh they will not get justice. Even after five decades, this demand is continuing. The reason for this is the experience of past 48 years that justice will not be done to Telangana and belief that it will continue to be denied to Telanganites in united AP. (Please see pages112 –117 for historical facts).



2. Isn’t Telangana slogan the creation of unemployed politicians?Telangana demand is a peoples’ movement born out of their problems. Are all the people robbed unabatedly, continuously for the 48-years and raising their voice again , unemployed political leaders? Who are the unemployed political Leaders? Are they the farmers that have been suffering for lack of drinking water, irrigations water, and cuts in electric supply? Are they the workers who lost their livelihood due to lack of new industries, and closure of existing industries? Are they the unemployed youth whose job opportunities are hijacked by outsiders? Are they the innumerable people who have been labeled and suppressed as terrorists because they raised their voice for Telangana? When people are subject to robbery and injustice and take to the streets, it is natural for leaders to enter the fray. Just because out of power politicians support Telangana statehood, does it stop being peoples’ movement? In any movement, politicians in and out of power join in. Some even deceive and attempt to side line the movement, but they can’t stop the movement. Movements continue until justice is served to the people. The educated that are the pillars of this movement aren’t unemployed. They aren’t even after employment for themselves.



3. Why didn’t the Chief Ministers that came from Telangana area work to develop Telangana?

It is true that PV Narasimha Rao, Marri Chenna Reddy (twice), T. Anjiah from Telangana were Chief Ministers of AP. Altogether they were in power for 6-years in four terms. It is also true they haven’t made any noticeable development of Telangana. Jalagam Vengal Rao was a settler. He never assimilated himself in Telangana. He is credited with the disservice to Telangana by extending Nagarjun Sagar left canal. Then what about, Rayala Seema? There were stalwarts from Rayala seems that were in power for twenty years. (N. Sanjeeva Reddy-2terms, Damodaram Sanjeeviah, K. Vijaya Bhaskara Reddy-2 terms, CB Naidu-2 terms). Why is Rayalaseema backward? Fact is they slaved for the Coastal Andhra wealth and the privileged few of these wealthy that control the politics of the state. Fazal Ali commission recognized the consequences of mixing a developed area with a backward area and recommended that Telangana be kept as a separate state. If this country’s politicians had the wherewithal to listen to the wise men, we wouldn’t be in this situation!



4. Isn’t it detrimental to Indian national unity if small states are continuously created?Out of the 35 states currently in India (28 states and 7 central possessions), 70% are smaller than Telangana. Telangana’s population is 30 million plus. There are 25 states that are smaller than Telangana. If these twenty-five don’t cause national unity issues, why would creation of a larger state be any dangerous? (See P119-120 for details)



5. What would you do if the backward districts in Telangana want a separate state of their own after formation of Telangana state?Backwardness of Telangana is a major reason for the Telangana state demand but not the sole reason. All ten Telangana districts have same historical background, geographic closeness, cultural commonality, language unity, and mutual understanding among the people. These factors are all foundation for unity of thought. Never did the people of Telangana districts express a desire or sentiment to be separate from the rest of the districts directly or indirectly. There isn’t an opportunity for such either. In our country there are some other backward districts in various states. Are they all demanding a separate statehood? It is meaning less and baseless argument.



6. Why do people with one language need two states?If one language, one state is the norm, why do we have 9-Hindhi speaking states? Next to Hindi, Telugu is the most spoken language in India. What is wrong with having two states that speak Telugu? Some people claim that Telangana Telugu isn’t the proper Telugu. Some others say it isn’t even Telugu. Why should these people that make fun of Telangana language and ridicule its culture should be objecting if Telangana is separate state?



7. Isn’t a separate state, a nation dividing, people separating, demand?If the desire of a people of a region to have their own state is a divisive act, then all states formation is a divisive act. In fact language based state formation itself is a divisive act. Same reasons that Potti Sriramulu the architect for separation of Andhra from Madras state, presented are the reasons Telanganites want their own state. The same argument used by the Andhras in the past is used by Telanganites now. If it was not an objectionable demand then how could it be objectionable now?



8. How long should states division continue?

Staes re-organization is a continuing activity in India. Even before Fazal Ali commission this process has started, Example: Formation of Andhra, split from Madras. It has been continuing ever since, Ex: Eastern states division, Maharastra,Gujrath, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jarkhand, Uttaranchal, Chattisghad. Why should there be any objections for Telangana formation when there were no such objections for these states formation?



9. There are other backward areas in the state. Why should only Telangana people have a separate state of their own?Just as Telangana, Rayalaseema and north Andhra have been discriminated. True. But, additionally Telangana has been systemically robbed. Diversion of this regions natural resources, water, under ground resources and their income to other areas, the robbing of jobs from the region’s people, Colonization aren’t directed at other areas. Additionally the Telanganites have been subject to ridicule with respect to the language and the politicians have been looked down upon to the extent they lost their own self image. To preserve their self respect and to protect their region’s natural resources, people of Telangana want their own state.



10. Instead of asking for a separate state, why can’t you fight for development within the frame work of united AP?The promises of Telangana development have been made for the past 48 years in united AP. Before and after the formation of AP, Which promises were kept? Which agreements were respected? Which projects were implemented? Which principles were they bound to? From the first day of AP formation, till to-day, agreements are being broken. What were the united AP wishers do? Did they even express any concerns? How long should the Telangana people bear this and put up with this injustice?



11. Isn’t separate Telangana state an anti-Andhra people’s movement?Emphatically, no. Telangana people don’t bear any animosity against the coastal Andhra or Rayalaseema people or the ordinary migrants from those areas to Telangana. Telangana people’s anger is with: The rulers that are raping Telangana resources. With their supporters in Andhra and also from Telangana. Those that came to Telangana and think they are the rulers of Telangana. Those that control the state Government with their financial strength and rob Telangana. Those that ridicule, Telangana language, culture and their mannerisms. All those that become a part of Telangana and share in the happiness and sorrow of Telangana with the locals are welcomed and, respected and loved.



12. Andhras have built Hyderabad. Is it fair to ask them to leave it now?Hyderabad was a beautiful city built by Nizam on the sweat of Telangana villagers. One of the reasons Andhras eyed Telangana was Hyderabad- a ready made beautiful Capitol city. It was fifth largest city before AP was formed and it still is fifth largest city. If Andhras contributed to Hyderabad, it was not out of love for Telangana but was for the convenience of the rich Andhras that have made Hyderabad their home. Hydearabd is still growing but not from Andhras coming to settle but from the middle classes and forward classes of Telangana moving to the city for security and for services and livelihood, as the village economy in Telangana is all but destroyed by neglect of the ruling class, and failure of monsoons. Besides, nobody is asking anybody to leave any place. India is a free country and anybody can go and stay and pursue their livelihood anywhere in India. Hyderabad is a cosmopolitan city and people from many languages and all states of India call it their home. Also, this isn’t a separation of people like Pakistan and India. It is merely a separation of political and administrative machinery so people of Telangana can control their own destiny. The settlers are welcome to stay, contribute and share in the success of Telangana.





The above information is from telangana forum.

[jakkireddy]

The problem is the migration of Andhrites in to telangana , and thereby causing problems to the native population fo Telangana like hiked land prices, logistical problems for the govt due to the concernatration of large population as a result migration by andhrites from coastal regions , someone has to stop this this is not a good sign ,live at your place and let others live , dont encroach upon others space Andhrites!!!!.

com on man first u have to remeber that as a state hyd is d capital and its not new that people migrating to the capital city for better life style and bussiness i just want to clarify something u hav been saying about land prices WHO IS BENEFITED FROM HIKING D PRICES? all telangana people in and around hyd were damn poor all dese days now dey r damn rich wid loads of many then still wats ur problem telangana is not having any major leader now dis will surely let the state go into the hands of dose MIM leaders or NAXALITES then ur KCR will shut his ass because he cant control naxals he is not having those guts only 2CM's did dis Chanrababu and YSR both from andhra surely ur gonna land up in problems............... ok after all dis if u guys wanna seperate its ok we r ready may be for some few years andhra may suffer but surely we ll develop a lot better than telangana because of masterminds nd coastal area which r full of wealth. I dont know y u people are beleiving these politicians they want telanagan only for they revenue coming from hyd they r just at d back of that revenue once it divides dat revenue will surely go down.

[jakkireddy]

arey yaar janedo let them take a new state its k fine wots wrong surely let them go into trouble this ass**** KCR is gonna loot all d revenue from hyd we guys have to slowly withdraw the investments and let all these T******* f****** to got to hell arey first of all they dont have brains daily dey hav to eat biryani and a drink a beer sleep till morning 10 is dis d way someone works if T*** is seperated they will be awarded d laziest state for years let dem go to hell wid their destiny

[Hyderabadi-123]

ehehehehe!



Let me tweak a bit and now we will see water & milk (from milky-water)



Lets make Hyd as a common capital between rest of AP and rest of Telangana. Like Jalandhar for Punjab and Haryana!



Let KCR and his crap team lead Telangana and see where it goes?



I am born and brought up in Hyd. What to say? I am welcome

every where with respect and open arms because of Hyd-brand.



How many people like Chennai? Answer is zilch when it comes to non-Tamils. How many people like Bangalore? Many; How many like Hyd? Many! why? Its cosmopolitan you s*upids.



Babies cribbing about non-hyds in Hyd should take all pure

telanganas in Hyd to other pure Telangana regions!



How about that? Hehehehe



Telangana needs to wake up with good leaders rather than hypocrites like KCR.



Push the issues in the right manner to get them done rather than crying foul for a separate state.



KCR and his goons are doing nothing but spreading hatred which is

counter productive.



ee Yeru manadira, ee Vooru manadira!



(note: "Mana" )