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by akhilis2cool » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:35 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:The concept of joint family is more prevalent in North India than in South.


thats not true, rather its more prevalent in villages than cities. Recently they showed on TV abt a family in karnataka. There r as many as 100 people living under one roof. as many as 4 generations live in the same house!!

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:I read a report few days back that the young couples and even those with grown up children are severely stressed out due to lack of private space so much that they are resorting to do 'it' in parks and other deserted areas. They have to deal with cops and evil elements just to have some private moments. India has the highest number of people living per room at 2.3/room, second only to pakistan (2.4/room). Imagine what a couple ahs to put up with.
And what if a new comer in the family doesnt get along well with the rest of family?




now that is a problem with space. i guess that will happen in todays cities.

in this case we cant do any thing but stay seperatly. but what we can do is stay close by. in this regard I guess apartments are a good Idea.



but then its the wish of the members of the family. how well they get along and do they wish to keep the tradition going. the problem is that more and more people disagree with each other on trivial matters and start to stay seperately.

the stresses of modern lives is adding to the problem.

I guess positive attitude matters a lot when u want to keep a family together.
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Re: JF

by CtrlAltDel » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:42 am

akhilis2cool wrote:I guess positive attitude matters a lot when u want to keep a family together.


dats true, but remeber that Keeping a Family Together doesnt necessarily mean that they have to stay together.

u can stay apart and still be loving and friendly towards the Family
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Re: joint Families

by akhilis2cool » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:13 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:buddy...its not the matter of being friendly or not. its the matter of whether u're ideas n thots wud be appreciated and understood by elders who have a different value system. this is called "Generation Gap"
u may have modern ideas on many matters and wud like to live by them, but what wud u do if yr elders feel u r wrong, as per their value system? can u lead yr own life as u wish in a joint family? i am not equating modern with immoral here.


Generation gap is more of a communication gap. elders dont know what the youngsters think, and why they think so, and vice-a-versa. its the duty of the members to make sure that information flows properly in the family. if the judgements r based on perceptions then misunderstandings will happen.

CtrlAltDel wrote:everybody needs a place where he or she can feel he/she is the boss. this is necessary for personal growth and mental peace. and i dont see it happening much in a family.
there wud always be an undercurrent of resentment, tho it might not come out in open. but a day wud surely come when the dam wud burst and the concerned person(s) leave the joint family after a fight.


there would be an under current of resentment if the home is not managed properly. since in India the house wives are the bosses of the house I guess they play a crucial role here. they r the link between the modern generation and the elders.

CtrlAltDel wrote:help should come only when required. most of the fights between spouses can be solved by themselves. but in a joint family a small spat will draw in all the elders who will give all sorts of opinions and remedy, when it cud only worsen the situation.


now that is upto the couples to manage there petty problems quietly. understanding matters. may b I am setting too high a standard.

CtrlAltDel wrote:never said that...nuclear family has a set of its own disadvantages.


lonliness is one of the problems that comes with a nuclear family. i dont think that would happen in a joint family.

CtrlAltDel wrote:the joint family i am ranting against consists of assorted uncles, aunts, cousins and numerous other beings.


i think those who try to spoil the atmosphere in a joint family should either mend there ways or just stay away. the head of the family plays a crucial role here.

CtrlAltDel wrote:here parents must realise that they cannot, and should not, rule over their kids after a certain stage, esp sons after marriage. they must recognize that the next generation has its own values and have to respect it. they should act as trusted advisors and friends but not rulers. only then will peace prevail in the family.


values r passed on from one generation to another. they dont change with each generation. what u r reffering to, i guess, r needs and wants that will change from time to time.

CtrlAltDel wrote:if the head(s) of an extended joint family act this way, i dont see any problems with it.




if the elders and the youngsters develop a good understanding then there is no reason why a family will not stay together. Taali ek haath se nahin bajti, i guess sacrifises have to be made by both the sides and the benefits will also be shared, else the family will just divide and may never be happy.
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by Prince » Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:18 pm

Somethings that weren't given due weightage in the discussions:



Cost/ economics: The reduction in JFs is not because of economics. It is actually CHEAPER to stay together in a biggish house than for the various nuclear families to stay separately in smaller houses. My guess is each 'family unit' would save atleast 30% of their household expenses



The major reasons, I think, are:

a) Family sizes are getting smaller. We had four families staying together when I was a kid. But now, in my case, it is only me and my sis. And, she has moved on. Whom will I stay with, even if I want to? My son will not even have a theoretical possibility.



b) Mobility of people willing to accept jobs all over the county. You may want to stay with your brother, but what would you do if he is in, say, Bombay?



c) Personal preferences; unwilling to 'share'. We are more willing to share others' gains, but not ours with them!
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by azazel » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:22 pm

Prince wrote:Cost/ economics: The reduction in JFs is not because of economics. It is actually CHEAPER to stay together in a biggish house than for the various nuclear families to stay separately in smaller houses. My guess is each 'family unit' would save atleast 30% of their household expenses




very good point :!:
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by akhilis2cool » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:01 am

Prince wrote:Somethings that weren't given due weightage in the discussions:
Prince wrote:Cost/ economics: The reduction in JFs is not because of economics. It is actually CHEAPER to stay together in a biggish house than for the various nuclear families to stay separately in smaller houses. My guess is each 'family unit' would save atleast 30% of their household expenses


i agree with u.

Prince wrote:The major reasons, I think, are:
a) Family sizes are getting smaller. We had four families staying together when I was a kid. But now, in my case, it is only me and my sis. And, she has moved on. Whom will I stay with, even if I want to? My son will not even have a theoretical possibility.


everyone has his/her choice. but it will be made depending upon how they r brought up and things like that.

Prince wrote:b) Mobility of people willing to accept jobs all over the county. You may want to stay with your brother, but what would you do if he is in, say, Bombay?


now that is a genuine reason for stayin apart. no family member will stop u from doing that.

Prince wrote:c) Personal preferences; unwilling to 'share'. We are more willing to share others' gains, but not ours with them!




that again depends on what sort of attitude and values we grow up with.
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Re: JF

by prince » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:02 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:
Prince wrote:a) Family sizes are getting smaller. We had four families staying together when I was a kid. But now, in my case, it is only me and my sis. And, she has moved on. Whom will I stay with, even if I want to? My son will not even have a theoretical possibility.

everyone has his/her choice. but it will be made depending upon how they r brought up and things like that.




I guess I didn't word it properly. It isn't a question of personal choice. All I meant was, with small families these days, who can you be 'joint' with. Gone are the days of 6 children. My single son won't even have a choice.
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by black wizard » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:27 pm

i live in a joint family. its like living in hell! its a royal pain in the ARSE! TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!!!



no private space.

ur supposed to tell everyone where u've been and where u're off to.

ur answerable to everyone...ur mom ,dad, aunt, chachi,chacha,nanima,dadima,mama,mami,mami kibehen,mami ki ma...and the list goes on and on.........!!!!!



u cant come home late from a concert, froma party or even from a friend's place where u've been slogging your ass off studying throughout the day and a very large part of the nite.



nanaji want the boy to be back home by 9pm

naniji settles for 10pm

mom wants the boy to be back at 7pm!

mamu jaan wants him to not go out at all!!!

mamu doesnt want him to blast Heavy Metal

Chacha hates "WESTERN" music.

"nai nai...its a sin. music is bad! dont play the guitar, ur gonna land up in hell!!!" is what he says.



i say screw everything! get urself an apartment, live peacefully. away from all this joint family emotional crap!
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by azazel » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:35 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

monday blues for u saar??
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:28 pm

black wizard wrote:i live in a joint family. its like living in hell! its a royal pain in the ARSE! TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!!!..... say screw everything! get urself an apartment, live peacefully. away from all this joint family emotional crap!


WELL PUT Wizzy! I whole heartedly agree with you! Just wait till u get married...u can experience the "pleasures" of joint family system more intensely
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by Bimbette » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:52 pm

Frankly, just can't see the pros of the 'joint family system'. Have lived in a nuclear family all my life, so maybe thats why I have the view.



All I know is that ,Nuclear family =SPACE and that I'm answerable only to my folks. Guess things wud have been different if there were relatives living with us.



Also, agree with the 'distance makes the heart grow fonder' funda. Its worked like that for years. Atleast for us.
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:06 pm

Bimbette wrote:Also, agree with the 'distance makes the heart grow fonder' funda. Its worked like that for years.


my childhood was in a nuke family too.

i believe in that funda coz in my experience, relatives can be real pesky at times. y'know, we may choose friends, but we cannot choose our relatives. since we have to bear with them, why not from a distance...???
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by azazel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:00 am

ive seen both pros/cons of a joint family, still.. I believe it works

u just need to be not-too pesky into others' affairs :!:
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by akhilis2cool » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:53 am

Me too man,



In my case the number of kids in the house was 8 as compared the elders 7, and we were all of relatively the same age....so we used have a gr8 time. yes there used to be fights among the kids, but u cant have only fun, no matter which type of family u live in. it used to be like raat gayi baat gayi. ok there were some restrictions but only till v were young, once we got out of college v were reasonably free. not many restrictions at all.





no 2 people r same, i guess that applies to the families as well.
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by azazel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:13 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:no 2 people r same, i guess that applies to the families as well.




exactly :!:
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by black wizard » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:05 pm

azazel wrote:ive seen both pros/cons of a joint family, still.. I believe it works
u just need to be not-too pesky into others' affairs :!:




wohi to hai na...i know u and i wont poke our noses into other's affairs...its too bad i cant say the same about others!

joint families suck. period.

u know what i'm talking about mamu.



the thought of being answerable to everyone, and when i say everyone i mean EVERYONE is bloody irritating and frustrating.

theres no privacy at all... :x
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by azazel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:07 pm

i see yer point man.. kya karsakte hai?!?!
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:49 pm

azazel wrote:i see yer point man.. kya karsakte hai?!?!


move out in friendly terms...but make it a point to eat there now n then
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:50 pm

I wrote:move out in friendly terms...but make it a point to eat there now n then


of corz that wud apply only if u r financially independent...so get a job first
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by black wizard » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:12 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:
azazel wrote:i see yer point man.. kya karsakte hai?!?!

move out in friendly terms...but make it a point to eat there now n then




advice taken...the only reason as to y i havnt moved out is coz my grandma is the best cook in town...and coz i'm not financially independant :lol: :lol: ...damn this engineering degree...when am i gonna complete it...!?!...shite!
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by azazel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:08 pm

black wizard wrote: my grandma is the best cook in town




i second that with a slight modification.. one of the best :wink:
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:12 pm

speaking of cooking, all joint families seem to have atleast one great cook!
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by azazel » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:04 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:speaking of cooking, all joint families seem to have atleast one great cook!




we've got 3 , dude !

one reason y i dun eat out much :roll:
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by akhilis2cool » Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:21 pm

azazel wrote:
CtrlAltDel wrote:speaking of cooking, all joint families seem to have atleast one great cook!


we've got 3 , dude !
one reason y i dun eat out much :roll:




yeh man,

my elder aunt is a kanada, she makes excellent dishes like Bishi Beli Huli anna, aalu bhaath idli sambar...her chutneys r out of this world.



my second aunt is from Kolhapur....she makes gr8 Misal (ever tasted one?)



My mom is the youngest of them.....she has learnt most of her cooking from them.......so she can make both kannada and kolhapuri dishes!!!!! best of both the worlds :)
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by black wizard » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:22 pm

azazel wrote:
black wizard wrote: my grandma is the best cook in town


i second that with a slight modification.. one of the best :wink:




dude, she has more than 60 yrs of "experience" in cooking...i would definitely rate her THE BEST in the city...no offence the cooks in yer house though.
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