Silent Scream

[Ranu]

Its the first time today that I too have read the total procedure and it has made me feel so pained to the bones for all these babies and for the parents.



excerpts from http://www.silentscream.org



The abortionist first introduces the most slender of these instruments to dilate the cervix, turns the instrument ...



He will then takes the instrument known .......

inserted through the dilated cervix, up into the uterus and will then puncture the sack surrounding the child, allowing the amniotic fluid to escape. The instrument then will come into direct contact with the child and with a pressure of approximately 55 or so millimeters of mercury, applied to the end of this instrument as it is attached to a long, thick suction tubing at this end and to the abortion instrumentation, that is the machine, at the other end, the suction suction tip will then begin to tear the child apart."



The pieces of the body are torn away. One by one until finally all that remains are the shards of the body and the heads itself. The head will be too large to come through this instrument itself. This will necessitate the introduction of this instrument called a polyp forceps into the uterus through the already dilated cervix and the abortionist will then attempt to grasp the free floating head of the child in the uterus between the rings of this instrument. The head is then crushed, the contents of the head removed, and finally the bones of the head, and the abortion is then effectively at an end."

[JustaLittleUnwell]

When man plays God, he gets the right to kill at will........

[The Crackednut]

When man plays God, he gets the right to kill at will........

a slight correction there JustaLittleUnwell::

When man plays God, he abuses the right to kill ........

[akhilis2cool]

hey ranu that was really painfull to read....cant imagine what the unborn kids got thru.



whats even worse is even educated people do it.



the only solution IC is death penalty for doctors doing abortion

those guys take the oath of not killing a person f\even if the person wants to die....



then how can they do this?

[Ranu]

hey ranu that was really painfull to read....cant imagine what the unborn kids got thru.

whats even worse is even educated people do it.

the only solution IC is death penalty for doctors doing abortion
those guys take the oath of not killing a person feven if the person wants to die....

then how can they do this?

Yes, akhil, even the educated people do it. what is more painful is they close their eyes to such pain of their own child !



death penalty ? maybe. That might put some fear into their minds about their own life and they may not do it, if not for any thing else.



How can they, the doctors do it? maybe for money ? whatelse could be the reason, otherwise?

[black wizard]

silent scream

thats a slayer song!

hell yeah

[;)]

silent scream
thats a slayer song!
hell yeah

black wizard, you need a lot of attention or what, Man? I see a lot of such statements from you. Generally sickening ones. why so, Man? attention deficit ?

[Johnny]

silent scream
thats a slayer song!
hell yeah

black wizard, you need a lot of attention or what, Man? I see a lot of such statements from you. Generally sickening ones. why so, Man? attention deficit ?

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Azazel

[azazel]

Azazel

nope, me will post on the topic here l8r..

[black wizard]

silent scream
thats a slayer song!
hell yeah

black wizard, you need a lot of attention or what, Man? I see a lot of such statements from you. Generally sickening ones. why so, Man? attention deficit ?

whoa! sorry dude. didnt mean to offend anyone.

[CtrlAltDel]

guys....guys...

the description of abortion Ranu posted is true...but before condemning those ladies and the doctors, just stop to think- "why did they have to opt for abortions?"

sometimes that is the best thing to do, tho painful. for instance, if the growth of the child in the womb could endanger the mother's life. or take the case of a girl ,esp a minor, who becomes pregnant after rape. why think that drastically, assume the pregnancy is unwanted, like if the girl is unwed, in a conservative society like ours. in these cases abortion is the best or sometimes the only solution. this is exactly why abortion is not considered illegal in most countries.

what is important is that abortion has to be under proper supervision and should not be performed needlessly. it ultimately depends on the mother's wishes and this right should NOT be taken away from her.

yes it is a painful decision, both physically and emotionally, but we should also think practically.

[Jaszalcatraz]

It's a simple question of choosing the lesser of two evils.

Would you rather have it come into this earth and suffer it's whole life?

[azazel]

the only solution IC is death penalty for doctors doing abortion
those guys take the oath of not killing a person even if the person wants to die....

death penalty ? maybe. That might put some fear into their minds about their own life and they may not do it, if not for any thing else.
How can they, the doctors do it? maybe for money ? whatelse could be the reason, otherwise?

there can b a good reason as the mother's life at risk..

death penalty for abortions?? y just docs then? wht abt the parents??

there r a lotta different cases wherein the end option turns out to b abortin the unborn fetus.. Docs r just doin wht they have to do.. y blame them alone??

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Apart from what ctrl said, I want to add one more thing. unborn fetus, before a certain stage is not considered 'living'. Abortion is generally performed before that stage.

[azazel]

missed ^^ that in my post.. good point MM

thats twice uve beaten me to it..

[Ranu]

guys....guys...
the description of abortion Ranu posted is true...but before condemning those ladies and the doctors, just stop to think- "why did they have to opt for abortions?"
sometimes that is the best thing to do, tho painful. for instance, if the growth of the child in the womb could endanger the mother's life.

THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE WHEN ITS THE MOTHER'S LIFE TO THE UNBORN BABY'S MORE SO WHEN THERE ARE ALREADY OTHER LIVE CHILDREN DEPENDING ON THE MOTHER.

or take the case of a girl, esp a minor, who becomes pregnant after rape AGAIN HERE TOO, ITS UNDERSTANDABLE.

why think that drastically,

assume the pregnancy is unwanted, like if the girl is unwed, in a conservative society like ours. in these cases abortion is the best or sometimes the only solution.
EXACTLY! THIS IS WHERE I SAID TO THE DISCUSSION HERE WHERE MM SAID TO HP'S ? THAT IT WAS NOTHING WRONG TO HAVING SEX OUT OF WEDLOCK.

this is exactly why abortion is not considered illegal in most countries

YES, AS LONG AS IT SUITS THEIR AGENDA OF HAVING SEX WITH ANYBODY, WHERE EVER, WHENEVER, AND NOT HAVE CHILDREN, WHY MAKE IT ILLEGAL?.

what is important is that abortion has to be under proper supervision and should not be performed needlessly

WHO DECIDES WHAT IS NEEDFUL, CTRL ? THE YOUNG GIRL WHO WENT AND HAD SEX WITHOUT BEING MARRIED, THE YOUNG MAN WHO SIMPLY HAD SEX WITH HER, THE PARENTS OF EITHER OF THEM WHO WOULD WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH SUCH NAME IN THE SOCIETY, OR THE DOCTOR WHO COULD BE THINKING ABOUT IT AS MORE OF A SOURCE OF INCOME RATHER THAN A SILENT SCREAM OF THE LITTLE CHILD ? YOU KNOW, THE MEANING OF PRACTICALIY CHANGES AS THE SITUATIONS CHANGE.

it ultimately depends on the mother's wishes and this right should NOT be taken away from her.

EVEN IF SHE IS MAKING THE DECISION OF TAKING THE LIFE OF HER CHILD ? DOES IT MEAN ITS OK WHEN A MOTHER KILLS HER CHILD JUST BECAUSE ITS A MOTHER OR THE FATHER? ABUSE SHOULD BE CERTAINLY FINE WITH YOU, THEN, AS LONG AS IT IS BY A MOTHER OR THE FATHER. COULD IT BE SO CTRL?

yes it is a painful decision, both physically and emotionally, but we should also think practically.

PRACTICALITY IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE ? OK, THEN WHY NOT THINK OF IT MORE AS A PRACTICALITY AND NOT GET PREGNANT, SIR? WHY TAKE AWAY A LIFE? A SMALL CHILD'S LIFE.. IT CANNOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE PROTECT ITSELF. IT TOTALLY DEPENDS ON ITS MOTHER FOR THAT. ATLEAST UNTIL AFTER BIRTH. ITS KILLING CTRL A SMALL BABY, YOUR OWN BABY. GIVE THE CHILD FOR ADOPTION IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO BRING HER UP AFTER HAVING THE SUPPOSED COURAGE TO HAVING SEX CHUPPACHUPPI.

[Ranu]

unborn fetus, before a certain stage is not considered 'living'. Abortion is generally performed before that stage.

considered by whom, MM? by those of us for whom having the baby at that point of time is very very inconvenient ? by the doctors ? how can they miss out on earning that much more money? (I am speaking of those doctors who are ready to do it coz it fetches money, not all the doctors do it. My family consisits of several doctors. so I will happen to know.)



If the same baby is being had at the right time by the right people, recollect how the birth of that child is celebrated in contrast to how this child is killed just because two people had sex at the wrong time not using the right precautions.



Why should the baby die? how is it the baby's fault ? why is she being killed ? and that too using such methods? MM, Ctrl, they suck the baby's body into shreds and then crush the baby's head. Can you still consider it as a simple discomfort named 'abortion' , even now?



Ctrl, If i remember reading it somewhere, you have a baby, right? of your own ? you should be able to understand it better, I am sure. what it is about a baby and pregnancy and a mother and a father.



Hey, why do we have to have baby's for us to understand, we were babies once. ok. lets imagine our own parents thinking of going in for an abortion while they were carrying us. how many of us would have wanted an abortion for our own lives?

[akhilis2cool]

people seem to concerned abt there own convinience.

MM bhai I dont understand how a baby is considered to be dead before a certain stage....and alive after a certain stage. who decides it....r we humnas fit to decide the fate of an unborn child? will court verdict on this make it a reality....we cannot take mother nature into the span of a declaration made by some humans.

[Jaszalcatraz]

So in short are ya suggesting that casual sex (i.e. any sex not intended for procreation) is "satanic"?

[CtrlAltDel]

EXACTLY! THIS IS WHERE I SAID TO THE DISCUSSION HERE WHERE MM SAID TO HP'S ? THAT IT WAS NOTHING WRONG TO HAVING SEX OUT OF WEDLOCK.

if not getting pregnant is the issue, having sex out of wedlock is ok as long as proper protection is used. if at all such protection is not used and results in pregnancy, its usually coz of lack of awareness.
imagine a girl agrees for sex and no protection is used. assume she becomes pregnant (NOTE: girls have higher chance of getting pregnant only on certain few days of the month, not thruout the month as is commonly believed). then what? ask her to have the child and face lifelong trauma? condemn her for having sex? the guys usually go scotfree in most cases, coz they r in no danger of becoming pregnant!

as mayavi said foetus in first 3 months is just a growing mass of cells. its medically not considered a human. all abortons are performed at this time only. performing abortions in later stages can be fatal for the mother, so no doctor wud do it.

YES, AS LONG AS IT SUITS THEIR AGENDA OF HAVING SEX WITH ANYBODY, WHERE EVER, WHENEVER, AND NOT HAVE CHILDREN, WHY MAKE IT ILLEGAL?.

ma'am its not illegal in India too since years. now, we cannot say the the lawmakers in those days had this idea! they just thot practically (like me )!!

WHO DECIDES WHAT IS NEEDFUL, CTRL ?

the woman and the doctor. the woman has the right to decide if she wants to continue with the pregnancy or not and the doctor has the right to accept or reject the abortion. no doctor wud perform an abortion if the results seem dangerous. if the girl, at worse, dies, he wud then have to shoulder responsibility.

A SILENT SCREAM OF THE LITTLE CHILD ?

what little child. if the abortion is in the first 3 months, its not yet a child. thats why large % of miscarriages naturally happen in this stage only.

EVEN IF SHE IS MAKING THE DECISION OF TAKING THE LIFE OF HER CHILD ?

no mother easily takes a decision to abort. its a painful and traumatic decision. half her heart wud be with her developing child. if and when its taken, its usually the last resort when no other option is available.

ABUSE SHOULD BE CERTAINLY FINE WITH YOU, THEN, AS LONG AS IT IS BY A MOTHER OR THE FATHER. COULD IT BE SO CTRL?

abortion is not abuse. if u feel so, its your problem.

PRACTICALITY IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE ? OK, THEN WHY NOT THINK OF IT MORE AS A PRACTICALITY AND NOT GET PREGNANT, SIR?

wudn't we all want to do that? thats possible either if all humans turn saints or learn properly about contraception.

GIVE THE CHILD FOR ADOPTION IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO BRING HER UP AFTER HAVING THE SUPPOSED COURAGE TO HAVING SEX CHUPPACHUPPI.

put yourslef in shoes of an unwed pregnant girl. say u want to have the child and give it for adoption. wud u have the guts to face the world daily? wud u have the guts to face the taunts that come your way whenever people see u or your bulging tummy? its not easy, esp in a conservative society. if a girl has the guts for all this, hats off to her. its her brave decision.

wud u encourage your brother or a close male relative to marry an unwed girl who has become pregnant, had delivered the baby and given it for adoption? even if its ok with u, society is not yet ready for that. till that time abortions will happen.

Ctrl, If i remember reading it somewhere, you have a baby, right? of your own ? you should be able to understand it better, I am sure. what it is about a baby and pregnancy and a mother and a father.

that, ma'am, is irrelevant. my wife n i have been married for 3 yrs before we decided to have a baby. there is not question of the baby being unwanted or anything.



speaking of unwanted children, those kids are usually labeled bastards and taunted bo society. is that ok? is that a great life the kid is having? what if they are not adopted for some reason? is that ok too?

[Jaszalcatraz]

If Ranu can make as sweeping a statement as " you will understand only if you are a parent", then I will also make a similar sweeping statement, Ranu will not see the merits of abortion unless she or someone she knows face such crises as discussed above.

[Jaszalcatraz]

Silly Point Alert



Unborn foetuses are used for Stem Cell Research, the next step in evolution(?)

[Ranu]

ctrl bhayi, dekhonaa, aapki reply. What you said. Read it again. If you do not understand my view point, Read it again. If not now, then may be later, whenever you are ready to understand it. I rest my case



Jasz bhai, aap bhi. Have a lovely time. All of you. I just wanted to put across my thought process. Hope we all learnt something useful. Thodisi dhyaan dena whenever you are planning to go have sex or to have an abortion.

[ZC]

seen that on discovery/ngc a year ago



good learning experience

[ZC]

seen that on discovery/ngc a year ago

good learning experience

oophs



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