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by salamehyderabad » Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:10 pm

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:
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Kavita wrote:Ppl in foreign lands are pouring in money but ppl india are struggling to pour out the dirt. I feel both deeds are equally important for the betterment of the nation. I could only think of the theoritical part.


Where is the money that's pouring in? More than half the money that pours in is in the illegal form of havala transactions. So it doesn't end up any place other than a jeweler's cashbox or something similar. I wouldn't call that betterment of the nation in any way.


Yea HP, u rite, the money thats being pumped goes into pplz own pocket n investments into real estates which make them lead rich lives. Its not invested in for a social cause( am talking about the majority) though the moniroty have contributed in the socio-econimoc development of the nation. Dont cuzz me HP am an NRI tooo... :wink:


LOL SeH....don't worry. I won't cuss you bro.

I do realise that some money does go into meaningful causes. But not enough to say that the "diaspora" contributes heavily to the socio-economic growth of the country.




I hope to invest in for a socio-economic cause in the mere future..... aint ready for that rite now. Me aint sure of the future yet, but wud for sure persuade my fellow desis to invest too....
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:20 am

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Kavita wrote:Ppl in foreign lands are pouring in money but ppl india are struggling to pour out the dirt. I feel both deeds are equally important for the betterment of the nation. I could only think of the theoritical part.


Where is the money that's pouring in? More than half the money that pours in is in the illegal form of havala transactions. So it doesn't end up any place other than a jeweler's cashbox or something similar. I wouldn't call that betterment of the nation in any way.


Yea HP, u rite, the money thats being pumped goes into pplz own pocket n investments into real estates which make them lead rich lives. Its not invested in for a social cause( am talking about the majority) though the moniroty have contributed in the socio-econimoc development of the nation. Dont cuzz me HP am an NRI tooo... :wink:




err... Money is money, whether you invest it or just spend it. It circulates and economy benefits. Taxes are collected, which in turn are pumped into infrastructure, health and education projects. Win - win situation for the NRI and country. Am I missing something?



Other than morality issues, why is a direct contribution to a NGO or social cause more valuable than a remittance to family?
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by salamehyderabad » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:29 am

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Kavita wrote:Ppl in foreign lands are pouring in money but ppl india are struggling to pour out the dirt. I feel both deeds are equally important for the betterment of the nation. I could only think of the theoritical part.


Where is the money that's pouring in? More than half the money that pours in is in the illegal form of havala transactions. So it doesn't end up any place other than a jeweler's cashbox or something similar. I wouldn't call that betterment of the nation in any way.


Yea HP, u rite, the money thats being pumped goes into pplz own pocket n investments into real estates which make them lead rich lives. Its not invested in for a social cause( am talking about the majority) though the moniroty have contributed in the socio-econimoc development of the nation. Dont cuzz me HP am an NRI tooo... :wink:


err... Money is money, whether you invest it or just spend it. It circulates and economy benefits. Taxes are collected, which in turn are pumped into infrastructure, health and education projects. Win - win situation for the NRI and country. Am I missing something?

Other than morality issues, why is a direct contribution to a NGO or social cause more valuable than a remittance to family?




Taxes.. wat part of it is paid? I am just talking about some employement generating investments, and for education purposes that it. Not all the money but atleast a part of it. Hmmmm. Only a part of the society is benifited.

I heard some one describe Democracy as "Rich become richer and poorthe poorer".
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by DQ » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:35 am

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salamehyderabad wrote:
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Kavita wrote:Ppl in foreign lands are pouring in money but ppl india are struggling to pour out the dirt. I feel both deeds are equally important for the betterment of the nation. I could only think of the theoritical part.


Where is the money that's pouring in? More than half the money that pours in is in the illegal form of havala transactions. So it doesn't end up any place other than a jeweler's cashbox or something similar. I wouldn't call that betterment of the nation in any way.


Yea HP, u rite, the money thats being pumped goes into pplz own pocket n investments into real estates which make them lead rich lives. Its not invested in for a social cause( am talking about the majority) though the moniroty have contributed in the socio-econimoc development of the nation. Dont cuzz me HP am an NRI tooo... :wink:


err... Money is money, whether you invest it or just spend it. It circulates and economy benefits. Taxes are collected, which in turn are pumped into infrastructure, health and education projects. Win - win situation for the NRI and country. Am I missing something?

Other than morality issues, why is a direct contribution to a NGO or social cause more valuable than a remittance to family?


Taxes.. wat part of it is paid? I am just talking about some employement generating investments, and for education purposes that it. Not all the money but atleast a part of it. Hmmmm. Only a part of the society is benifited.
I heard some one describe Democracy as "Rich become richer and poorthe poorer".






I STRONGLY AGREE WITH MAYAVI HERE.



IF TAXES ARE NOT COLLECTED ITS THE INEFICIENCY OF THE ADMINISTRATION.



A RADICAL VIEW BUT WHAT BENEFIT ARE TAXES, DO WE HAVE ANY SOCIAL SECURITY etc. Every Individual has to save for himself, and where do the taxes land any way into some politicians SWISS bank account.



Anyway I would have answered Kavita and HP but I am quitting the boards, please mail me at elmyi@yahoo.com.au to inform of another (unbiased) board where we can discuss / argue, reason for quitting.



WHY WAS MY REPLY TO LETTER TO MINISTER REMOVED?

IN WATCH OUT MEN WILL HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS

IS THIS NOT THE UMPTEENTH TIME THE MODS ARE BEING BIASED.

IS IT CASTE / COLOUR / RELEGION THATS PLAYING UP IN DELIBRATELY REMOVING MY POSTS.

THATS IT THIS CALLS FOR MY QUITTING THE BOARDS, AS THE MODS HAVE PROVED THAT THEY DO NOT WANT ME ANY MORE ON THESE BOARDS, BY SELECTIVELY REMOVING MY POSTS TIME AND AGAIN.
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:43 am

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Kavita wrote:Ppl in foreign lands are pouring in money but ppl india are struggling to pour out the dirt. I feel both deeds are equally important for the betterment of the nation. I could only think of the theoritical part.


Where is the money that's pouring in? More than half the money that pours in is in the illegal form of havala transactions. So it doesn't end up any place other than a jeweler's cashbox or something similar. I wouldn't call that betterment of the nation in any way.


Yea HP, u rite, the money thats being pumped goes into pplz own pocket n investments into real estates which make them lead rich lives. Its not invested in for a social cause( am talking about the majority) though the moniroty have contributed in the socio-econimoc development of the nation. Dont cuzz me HP am an NRI tooo... :wink:


err... Money is money, whether you invest it or just spend it. It circulates and economy benefits. Taxes are collected, which in turn are pumped into infrastructure, health and education projects. Win - win situation for the NRI and country. Am I missing something?

Other than morality issues, why is a direct contribution to a NGO or social cause more valuable than a remittance to family?




If taxes were being collected, it wouldn't have been that much of a concern. But the problem is, as I mentioned, most of the money comes in in the form of havalas...and nowhere is it remotely connected with taxes. Yes...if they were finally circulating into the economy of the country somehow, I wouldn't have been so much against it. But no...it just ends up in someone's personal coffers in the form of black money.
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:46 am

DQ...now don't be another Johnny.



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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:56 am

Are you sure Havala is a problem these days? IIRC, after the havala scandal, FE laws have been changed money remittance has become easy. Gone are the days when a strager knocks on your door and delivers you a bag load of cash. Everything is legal now and that can been seen from the Foreign exchange which is swelling day by day. In 2004 alone, 10 b $ have been remitted.

Most of the money is sent from Gulf and middle class Indians in US.Once this money reaches India, it is spent and not saved. taxes are paid at some stage or other.

Btw, havala is a problem for India in a different way. Politicians are siphoning of thei black money to their swiss back accounts and overseas companies. Mauritius, maldives and switzerland are the favourite destinations for the black money, which is channeled back to India as remittance money through legal remittance channels and FD investments.
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:05 pm

What happened to all posts after the one I see ^^^^^?
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by akhilis2cool » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:06 pm

my post is gone :( :arrow: :cry: :arrow: :evil: :arrow: :x
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by Just Another Human » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:50 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:my post is gone :( :arrow: :cry: :arrow: :evil: :arrow: :x




maybe some technical problem yaaron
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:41 am

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akhilis2cool wrote:my post is gone :( :arrow: :cry: :arrow: :evil: :arrow: :x


maybe some technical problem yaaron




and bechara DQ thought that Mods are discriminating against him...



waittamin.... may the mods are selectively deleting DQ's posts and to make it look like an error, they deleted other posts too :o
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by akhilis2cool » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:28 am

Hey Mods where my post :evil:
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by akhilis2cool » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:36 am

The Mods say even they r puzzeled at the posts getting deleted.

Please report ne such happenings in the future to them.
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by DQ » Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:28 am

Kavita wrote:Few Question to DQ:

Most of your questions have been answered in later or earlier post. But again,

Kavita wrote:1. How does struggling harder in a foreign land make any person eligible for good roads or better treatment by an official in mother land?

Factual : It does not.
Fact : Living in foriegn land these people have not forgotten their mother land. They have continued to support the nation in terms of the much needed For Ex. Every individual I know of abroad is directly or indirectly supporting atleast 5 people back home. Every Indian living abroad earns to come back home. After this effort he can wish that the people here change ? Shouldn't they ?

Kavita wrote: 2. Which do you think is a better for a nation, stuggle hard (risking life) in a foreign land which helps the foreign nation develop or struggling in home land to make a career and living which if it does any good will be to the mother land?

AHHH I cant continue answering ask Azim Premji or Satyams head why they would prefer dual Citizenship.

3. Since when did escaping from reality in home land and struggling in a foreign land give a person the right to talk ill about their home land.
Isnt it analogus to the joke where the drunkard looses his gold ring in the dark and searches for it under the street light?
4. Isnt it thier in ability to cope with situations in mother land?
5. Since when did taking up neater work (working in a society where labour is dignified, good road, less pollution, good infrastructure, etc), leaving the dirty work back (fight the curroupt official, bad roads, traffic, pollution, population, maintain the bank balance of the person in phareign, take care of his family, his immovable assets, etc) to the loved ones in a country become a working-for-the-betterment-of-the-loved-ones in the mother land?
I personally feel, person who cannot contribute for a cause cannot have the right to question. (that is what I do, i dont contribute so I dont question) They are contributing money to their loved ones, so they can question only thier loved ones, not the beuarocrats or politions or curruption out here. (oh my, aggressive thinking.)

Both of you have stated mind sets of parties living here and not living here. Could you post something on whether DC should be granted or not? (the question is not of a person, but about the idea itself) If we can coulclude this we can go ahead with the discussion of whom it can be granted to. Or may be you did the same but I could not make out the points. I really cannot talk much on this as I will be one sided. I lived all my life in India and know very few ppl who live abroad.

Ppl in foreign lands are pouring in money but ppl india are struggling to pour out the dirt. I feel both deeds are equally important for the betterment of the nation. I could only think of the theoritical part.[/quote]
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APJ KALAMS VISION

by Sampratyyaya » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:25 am

When can I sing a song of India?I want to live in a developed India?Can India Become a Developed Country?



I have three visions for India. In 3000 years of our history, people from all over the world have come and invaded us, captured our lands, conquered our minds. From Alexander onwards. The Greeks, the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Dutch, all of them came and looted us, took over what was ours. Yet we have not done this to any other nation. We have not conquered anyone. We have not grabbed their land, their culture, their history and tried to enforce our way of life on them. Why? Because we respect the freedom of others.











That is why my first vision is that of FREEDOM. I believe that India got its first vision of this in 1857, when we started the war of independence. It is this freedom that we must protect and nurture and build on. If we are not free, no one will respect us.











My second vision for India is DEVELOPMENT. For fifty years we have been a developing nation. It is time we see ourselves as a developed nation. We are among top 5 nations of the world in terms of GDP. We have 10 percent growth rate in most areas.Our poverty levels are falling, our achievements are being globally recognized today. Yet we lack the self-confidence to see ourselves as a developed nation, self reliant and self assured.Isn't this right?











I have a third vision. The India must stand up to the world. Because I believe that unless India stands up to the world, no one will respect us. Only strength respects strength. We must be strong not only as a military power but also as an economic power.Both must go hand-in-hand. My good fortune was to have work with three great minds. Dr. Vikram Sarabhai of the Dept. of space, Professor Satish Dhawan, who succeeded him, and Dr. Brahm Prakash, father of nuclear material. I was lucky to have worked with all three of them closely and consider this the great opportunity of my life.






I see four milestones in my career:




ONE: Twenty years I spent in ISRO. I was given the opportunity to be the project director for India's first satellite launch vehicle, SLV3. The one that launched Rohini. These years played a very important role in my life as a scientist.










TWO:
After my ISRO years, I joined DRDO and got a chance to be the part of India's guided missile program. It was my second bliss when Agni met its mission requirements in 1994.











THREE: The Dept. of Atomic Energy and DRDO had this tremendous partnership in the recent nuclear tests, on May 11 and 13. This was the third bliss.The joy of participating with my team in these nuclear tests and proving to the world that India can make it. That we are no longer a developing nation but one of them. It made me feel very proud as an Indian. The fact that we have now developed for Agni a re-entry structure, for which we have developed this new material. very light material called carbon-carbon.










FOUR:
One day an orthopedic surgeon from Nizam Institute of Medical Sciences visited my laboratory. He lifted the material and found it so light that he took me to his hospital and showed me his patients. There were these little girls and boys with heavy metallic calipers weighing over three Kgs. each, dragging their feet around. He said to me: Please remove the pain of my patients. In three weeks,we made these Floor-reaction Orthosis 300 gram calipers and took them to the orthopedic center.The children didn't believe their eyes. From dragging around a three kg. load on their legs, they could now move around! Their parents had tears in their eyes. That was my fourth bliss!





Why are we in India so embarrassed to recognize our own strengths,our achievements?




We are such a great nation. We have so many amazing success stories but we refuse to acknowledge them.Why? We are the second largest producer of wheat in the world. We are the second largest producers in rice. We are the first in milk production. We are number one in Remote sensing satellites.











Look at Dr. Sudarshan, he has transferred the tribal village into a self-sustaining, self driving unit. There are millions of such achievements but our media is only obsessed with the bad news and failures and disasters. I was in Tel Aviv once and I was reading The Israeli newspaper











It was the day after a lot of attacks and bombardments and deaths had taken place. The Hamas had struck. But the front page of the newspaper had the picture of a Jewish gentleman who in five years had transformed his desert land into an orchid and a granary. It was this inspiring picture that everyone woke up to. The gory details of killings, bombardments, deaths, were inside in the newspaper, buried among other news. In India we only read about death, sickness, terrorism, crime.







Why are we so negative? Why are we, as a nation so obsessed with foreign things?



We want foreign TVs, we want foreign shirts. We want foreign technology.











Why this obsession with everything imported? Do we not realize that self-respect comes with self-reliance? I was in Hyderabad giving this lecture, when a 14 year old girl asked me for my autograph. I asked her what her goal in life is: She replied:







I want to live in a developed India.



For her, you and I will have to build this developed India.
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