Muslims in India have kept hindus united.

[desiguy02]

For all those indians who hate muslims by heart and soul should know that it is the muslims of India that have kept all these Hindus united. There is not other cummunity in the world which is prone to disintegrations/dis-unity as Hindus, with its cast system, different believes ( different people following different Gods ) and different cultures/languages. The \'unity\' factor in this diversity is muslims. What do you think?

[gudumba sathi]

so... what do u want to infer. kiss and hug all muslims... huh.

[desiguy02]

Exactly. Hindus need to learn to live with them peacefully. It is ironic that we talk so much about the aggression/devastation the muslims have caused during their rule in India and YET we are doing the same with them now.

[indian]

answer why is there no peace where ever islam is followed ? show me a country where they can live with any religion peacefully ? bet u can never .how can peace be thought ? haa hindus have to be blamed for ewlcoming and tolerating all this religions ?is there any musilm dominated country where u have other religios people living peacefully ?
anyway i feel its nt worth talikg to these people who have respect for other relience ,peace ?

[desiguy02]

Wow Wow...relax guys! What makes you so angry? The truth! This proves you are no less INTOLERENT that any other race/religion? Btw there was no peace in India even before the Muslims arrived. Infact there was more dis-unity among the hindus fighting on petty things. So dont blame Moslems/Christians/foreigners for your acts.

[desiguy02]

Mr Kathi, why do you think so. If you want to be in this discussion be a gentlemen and state your opinion. Why do you think they are more worthless than Hindus...who had no role in the World History. Always were dominated/ruled by outside forces till this day...
I think even though we got independance 50 yrs ago, we are still slaves of the west and the western culture.

[REDIFF]

WHY NOT ? TIT FOR TAT .ANYWAY THEY R NOT WORTH THE PEACE .AS THEY UNDERSTOOD IT AT THE FIRST INSTANCE

[desiguy02]

Looks like some the pervious messages got deleted? Or did someone delete them because they did not like the response?

[desiguy03]

Hi Desiguy02,
Certainly we should not hate muslims.Muslims also first should stop hating hindus first.
Talking about different languages and religions in india shows the diversity unlike in islam.Tell me when was there a social reformer in muslims.there is no freedom for women in islam.Any one who opposes islam are targeted.Why there is no liberal leader ship in muslims.Why aren\'t there women leaders in Muslims.Aren\'t there Shias and sunnis clashes.Mojahirs and pak muslim fights.Muslim Iran ,Muslim Iraq war lasted for more than 7 years.Do not tell muslims united india.Muslims actually SPLIT india into 3 pieces in 1947 in the name of religion.Your point is bullshit

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[desiguy02]

Desiguy03, Which India are you talking about. India never existed before muslim/british rule. There were separate little kingdoms with separate cultures/languages, fighting with each other. It was the muslims which brought all these kingdoms under their \'one\' rule and made Hindustan or what is India. So your argument is baseless. Infact thanks again to those muslims who made what is today \'India\'.

[Indian Muslim]

Dear Moderator, If the reasons you cited for deleting few of the messages are true, then there should be no board talking religion in India. Honestly, we Indians are not \"matured\" or \"grown up\" enough to talk religion, we always talk hatred and its growing everyday, couple of yrs back I noticed there were more moderate minded people then today in both the communities. So, if you could please do not allow topics involving religions. Also, fullhyd has done a good job in moderating boards unlike the filthiest boards I have been to like the ones on indian express, rediff and all.

Thanks
Faheem

[Faheem]

Mohan,
Don\'t be carried away like this, you don\'t know a bit about palestine, and Kashmir. You need to grow up and think about the comments you make. Who on this earth will tie bombs on his waist and blow himself up? why the hell will one stone tanks when they can be hit by a bullet? one needs a \"JUST\" cause to do this, so please understand that muslims are not the root cause of violence.

[VDH]

So Faheem, what\'s the \"JUST\" cause that you know, a bit (no pun intended)...

[Faheem]

You wouldn\'t be asking this if you knew the history of the mideast region. Pelestinians are fighting for the land which is theirs.

[VDH]

ok agreed the \"JUST\" cause in Palestine is LAND, what about the other regions (Kashmir, US, Chechnya, Uzbekistan, etc etc etc...), does killing of innocent people justify any of these reasons. tomorrow if my house is attacked by a terrorist (who in this example happens to be ..say a Jain), would i be right in killing Jains randomly in my city...i don\'t think so...your opinion please...

[Anil]

Yeah, that’s absolutely true. The present unity in the Hindus is driven by the hate over Muslims. So what’s your point? Do we need to have this apparent unity or not? BTW, why do we need to have this unity only among the Hindus in India and why not among the whole Indians? There are lot of people capitalizing over this sentiment of hate and the virtual unity in both Hindu and Muslim communities and would continue to do so for their benefit.

I’m a Hindu and I respect my religion and would never like anyone trying to gain political advantages over my religion. The so-called leaders of VHP and RSS are just a bunch of criminals who has no respect to the constitution of our nation. They are never considered as my religious heads and these people have nothing to take anything with Hinduism. I’m more annoyed with Muslims who push these religious feelings among every one. This is high time for all the moderate Muslims to raise their voice and pursue their peers to give up the idea of having a Sheriat law and stop bothering about infidels. Even though they are 150 million, they will be out numbered.

Religion has no place in the political setup of India. There are a growing number of people who are frustrated with the politics of religion and would never tolerate the people who play politics with religion. I would advise every to just keep your religion with yourself in your home or face the consequences. I would also advice State Govt. to set up surveillance cameras all over the old city of Hyderabad. We need an iron fist to contain this disease.

[desiguy]

Anil, the point I am trying to make here is especially for those who think muslims are foreigners and so have no place in India.
We need to accept the fact that whetever good/bad that happened with Hindus once the muslims came to this land, is part of the natural history or evolution.
There was more positive impact on Indian culture, with the advent of muslims, than w/o them. Even till this day, though they are condemned and humiliated, they do contribute to the development of India both directly and indirectly. And this \'indirect\' help which hindus get from muslims AND which they do not realize, is what i wanted to bring to light.

[VDH]

What about the persecution and bias towards Sunnis\' in Pakistan???

[Anil]

What a cheap liar you are! There was never a mention of Muslims being treated as foreigners in India. Read for yourself your own initial statement. Now talking about the Muslims being treated as foreigners, who told you this, did you hear from any “Jamaath” meetings? I guess, even you are in an illusion that all you Muslims have migrated from either Arab land or central Asia. The truth is, the majority of Muslims here are the converts. Talking about the migration, even the early Hindus have migrated from up north and the inhabitants of this land slowly adapted Hinduism. Man! You have such a distorted and twisted image if history and Islam. You have no idea of how great your religion was before it has been distorted and misinterpreted by the so-called religious leaders acting under the autocratic rulers in Arab world. The majestic empire of Automan is the example of its glory. The Mongols (Moghals) invaded Baghdad, the proud capital city of Islam in 10th century and destroyed it to ashes, but the same moghals adapted Islam in 10 years and re built the Baghdad better than it was before. This act of history speaks the spirit of Islam. Initially every other religion used to resent the success and achievements of Islam, but today your religion has fallen back so much that you resent every other religion. It’s your religious leaders who spread the hate towards other religions to keep you united and keep you away from questioning the leadership. Just ask yourself a question, how could it be possible with the people of same religion, language and law are having different countries instead of a single unified one Arab country? I’m sure you know very well, how the common man is deprived of freedom in these Arab nations. You must also be aware of the fact of how these rulers use religion to control it’s citizens and continue to rule. Don’t you see that even you have been targeted to spread the hate? Wake up and open up.

[desiguy]

Anil, you are misinterpreting my statements though. The reason I initiated this discussion itself is to clear the clouds between the two communities. The rise in hatred lately among Hindus, towards the muslims, is because of the infuence of extremist groups like BJP, VHP, etc who are polarizing their minds.
And since so much damage has already been done, it is hard to convince even an educated/liberal Hindu to accept the existence of Muslims in India.
And this is the reason why I chose this topic. AT THE LEAST, if not anything, these Muslims have kept Hindus united, which in a way is a belssing in disguise for India/Hindus. Whatever happens happens for a reason and so we should learn to accept and live with each other in peace and harmony.

[desiguy]

Also Anil, this discussion is not about which religion or which comunity was better then or better now. This is not about pointing fingers at others. This is an attempt to make the readers aware that it is the \'karma\' of that community that either gives them respect or humiliation. Maybe it is the \'karma\' of the moslems that is bringing them so much shame and humiliation now, and hopefully they will come out stronger and better. So lets not do the same with India/Hindus. We only got hold of our reins just 50 yrs ago and with the \'adharma\' that is currently going on chances are we may loose those \'reins\' again thru our \'karma\'. Did I make sense??!!

[Samuel Adams]

The problem with your lot is that you think your religion is the best; there is no other path to salvation except your path; all non-muslims are beneath your station, and that all your problems are because of Jews,Hindus, or the Americans.Others are prepared to live with your community in peace-give them a chance.

[Simbarajan]

For once, I found a desiguy who seems to be making sense. This desiguy seems to be suggesting that it is about time that the \'non-believers\' in India start learning from the \'believers\'. I am all for it. Excellent approach to solve all of India\'s problems in a jiffy. I am really excited about the potentialities of this simple yet powerful solution. I propose that the \'non-believers\' in India seek the guidance of their \'believers\' brethern immediately. The \'non-believers\' need to identify the best of the countries of believers in order to simply adopt the lvel of love and kindness that \'non-believers\' routinely recieve from believers in that country as the standard for their behavior towards \'believers\' in India. I wnated to get away from \'Hindu\' and \'Muslim\' tags and for lack of ingenuity, settled on \'believers\' and \'non-believers\'.

[Outraged]

Bigots like you are responsible for intolerence in this country-can\'t you accept that there are religions other than your own.