Concentration camps in the 21st Century. The world sits and

[DQ]

How UnCouth can he be.



Shun Iraq poll, says 'Bin Laden'



Its a sign to all those Muslims who are "Bin Laden" sympathisers. The language that this guy knows and understands.



While the whole world grieves and is in awe, all that this guy can come up with is a call for more anarchy and devastation.

Probably thinks that while world is busy elsewhere he can make hay here.



The next nation whose actions are questionable are "Israel targets Gaza 'mortar crew' "

While the whole world is stunned at this tragedy all they can think about is continue with their rout.

[DQ]

I am quitting the boards, please mail me at elmyi@yahoo.com.au to inform of another (unbiased) board where we can discuss / argue, reason for quitting.



WHY WAS MY REPLY TO LETTER TO MINISTER REMOVED?

IN WATCH OUT MEN WILL HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS

IS THIS NOT THE UMPTEENTH TIME THE MODS ARE BEING BIASED.

IS IT CASTE / COLOUR / RELEGION THATS PLAYING UP IN DELIBRATELY REMOVING MY POSTS.

THATS IT THIS CALLS FOR MY QUITTING THE BOARDS, AS THE MODS HAVE PROVED THAT THEY DO NOT WANT ME ANY MORE ON THESE BOARDS, BY SELECTIVELY REMOVING MY POSTS TIME AND AGAIN.

[DQ]

It just took 24 hrs to break my pledge. I had to share this with you guys.





US soldiers in Iraq approach a car after opening fire when it failed to stop at a checkpoint. Despite warning shots it continued to drive towards their dusk patrol in Tal Afar on 18 January.

Chris Hondros a photographer with Getty News was on hand to record these pictures.

WARNING: This gallery contains graphic images





Inside the car were an Iraqi family of seven. The mother and father were killed but their five children in the backseat survived, one with a non-life threatening wound.







As the children get out of the car one of them screams, her hands covered in blood...

Child crying. Why ? Loss of parents or fear of being led to Abu Ghraib.

THE WORLD NEEDS PEACE PLEASE

…others cry or just stand bewildered.



This image has shattered me completely. The US soldiers can do any thing from here, Abu Ghraib has shown that they can have perverts in the army tooooo.







A normal Iraqis life. What they do not understand that in operation freedom they have ridiculed a complete culture. No girl over 9 years is touched and look at the desperation here.





...with the rest of his family.

A soldier carries one of the children into the hospital while an older sister carries her brother.











The statement also said that military officials extended their condolences for this "unfortunate incident" and were investigating.

Photos: Chris Hondros/Getty Images



Condolonces for what ?



Not managing to kill the entire family ?

[akhilis2cool]

It just took 24 hrs to break my pledge.

belkum bak

I had to share this with you guys.

Wonder what the US govt. will do for the children

[Mayavi Morpheus]

While I dont support what the US soldiers did, the following link gives an idea of why they shot at the car. IIRc this is not the first incidence of shooting at cars that dont stop at check points. There were atleast three such known reports till now, only god knows how many went unnoticed, and in all three cases teh driver panicked seeing the soldiers.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4186519.stm

[DQ]

On average as many people are now dying here every day as were killed in the London bombings







Who Caused Civilian Deaths



Who caused Iraqi civilian deaths?

Category Number killed % of total

US-led forces alone 9,270 37.3

Anti-occupation forces alone 2,353 9.5

US-led and anti-occupation forces involved 623 2.5

'Military actions' as defined by Iraq's Health Ministry 635 2.5

'Terrorist attacks' as defined by Iraq's Health Ministry 318 1.3

Predominantly criminal killings 8,935 35.9

Unknown agents 2,731 11.0

[CtrlAltDel]

this is one thread where i largely tend to agree with DQ!

[lonewolf]

this is one thread where i largely tend to agree with DQ!

Same here, especially since I have some chilling first hand accounts.

[DQ]

WHITE PHOSPHORUS

Spontaneously flammable chemical used for battlefield illumination

Contact with particles causes burning of skin and flesh

Use of incendiary weapons prohibited for attacking civilians (Protocol III of Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons)

Protocol III not signed by US.







"Burned bodies, burned women, burned children; white phosphorus kills indiscriminately... When it makes contact with skin, then it's absolutely irreversible damage, burning flesh to the bone,"



Eyewitnesses and ex-US soldiers say the weapon was used in built-up areas in the insurgent-held city.



The US military denies this, but admits using white phosphorus bombs in Iraq to illuminate battlefields.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm

[DQ]

[DQ]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4456244.stm







Five members of an Iraqi family were killed when US forces opened fire on their vehicle outside a military base near the city of Baquba, police say.



A US military spokesman said the minibus they were travelling in failed to stop as it approached a roadblock at about 0800 (0500 GMT).



Two men and three children were killed and two women and a child were wounded, Iraqi police said.



A US military spokesman put the toll at three dead and two wounded.



The family was travelling to a funeral at the time, witnesses said.



The roadblock had been set up to allow military vehicles to turn off a highway into the base.



"The Iraqi car wouldn't slow down and warning shots were fired," Maj Steven Warren told news agency AFP.



He said the vehicle did not stop and came under machine-gun fire.



Killed one by one



Ahmed Kamel al-Sawamara, a 22-year-old who was driving the car, said he had no time to react when shots began raining down.







"The soldiers started shooting at us from all over," he told reporters. "I slowed down and pulled off the road, but they continued firing.

"I saw my family killed, one after the other, and then the car caught fire. I dragged their bodies out."



Since the US-led invasion in 2003, there have been repeated incidents in which American troops have fired on civilian vehicles.



Checkpoints and convoys are frequently targeted by insurgents and troops often put up signs in Arabic telling people to stay back or risk being shot.



The US military said it takes all possible measures to avoiding shooting innocent civilians.



Correspondents say Iraqis generally pull over to the side of the road when coalition forces approach.

[DQ]

Mourning his children



But that is little comfort to Mahmoud Ali Hamadi. Hugging his 18-month-old son, Haidar, to his breast for comfort, he cannot hold back his sobs as he recounts how a US missile that landed by his front gate killed his wife and three elder children on the night of April 5.



"My children were the brightest in the whole school," he recalls, looking fondly at an old family photograph through his tears. "Eleven years I spent raising them, and in one instant I lost them."

"There is a price to pray for Freedom"

[DQ]

Its a free Iraq.



Mr Tony Blair -



"Our determination to defend our values and way of life is greater than their determination to cause death and destruction to innocent people in a desire to impose extremism upon the world. "



Mr Bush

"I ask you to uphold the values of America and remember why so many have come here.



We're in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them."



The Hitlers and Pahroah of the day, the world today questions you.



What principles are you propogating.

What values are you spreading, the scourge of porn, drug abuse, child abuse and women abuse riddiles your society.

A complete break down of social structure in your societies and appalingly you are out there to free the world.



WHAT freedom and how much more innocent blood needs to be shed ?

What is freedom and how are you acheiving it ?

Is this the free world you envision, its time you took responsibility.



http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

[mango]

you know what DQ, fine..

its regrettable that shit like this happens. you seem to forget that this is a war - not a conventional one mind you, but one that is characterized by hit and run tactics. you cannot adhere to the normal rules of war when the playing field is not level. thus, certain steps need to be taken by both sides to decrease the conflict. what i dont understand is why people cant stop.

is it really that hard to stop at a checkpoint? and during a time of war, if you do something stupid, thats liable to get you killed.



anyway, back to the abu ghraib issue. it seems as though the arab world has an affinity to cut peoples heads off while chanting and shit. maybe if these people entered the 21st century and stopped their 8th century barbarism, they could be treated in the same manner. it really is eye for an eye isnt it?

wheres all the outcry for the american soldiers who were tortured and beheaded? no _ where!



but you instantly get your panties up in a bunch because some lowlife had a dog collar around him or was made to stand naked or harassed with a dog.



kudos DQ, your logic is flawless.

[mango]

What values are you spreading, the scourge of porn, drug abuse, child abuse and women abuse riddiles your society.

you claim pornography is bad. maybe if more of the repressed societies were exposed to it, they would be less inclined to rape women huh?



drug abuse - fine enough.. thats a given argument.



child abuse and women abuse pervades the repressed societies (arab nations) ever hear of child marriage and wife beating? atleast in our society, we have child protective services and battered women shelters.

hell, the people you're vouching for dont let their women drive or vote.

[Cragg]

you know what DQ, fine..
its regrettable that shit like this happens. you seem to forget that this is a war - not a conventional one mind you, but one that is characterized by hit and run tactics. you cannot adhere to the normal rules of war when the playing field is not level. thus, certain steps need to be taken by both sides to decrease the conflict. what i dont understand is why people cant stop.

but you instantly get your panties up in a bunch because some lowlife had a dog collar around him or was made to stand naked or harassed with a dog.

kudos DQ, your logic is flawless.

Amazing genius @mango , U have very gud techniques to stop or decrease conflict , raping innocent , abusing children , indignifying civilians ...............



If these wud work then the world wud have been a conflict free zone long time back.



This is no war, war is when both sides of almost equal power fight . This is invasion of a powerless country for the sake of greed and the ones doing it are not trained army they are perverts of the screwed up american society .



And abt hit and run tactics , if they are provided with the same weapons do u think they wud hit and run , Think again .



U know what makes a human blow himself up to kill others . Think wht kind of extreme suffering wud make u do that.



U seem to have mixed up the fundamental basic rights of women like dignity , safety , and security with driving or voting.



is that the justification for doing these acts .



BUSH mind

[mAnOmAn]

There is something called ethics that the developed world or those in power should abide by



http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/wa ... uct2.shtml



which states and describes all of them in detail.A soldier who does not follow these is not a soldier but a warcriminal.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/war/

[mango]

Amazing genius @mango , U have very gud techniques to stop or decrease conflict , raping innocent , abusing children , indignifying civilians

if the consequences for raping women and abusing children were large.. then shit wouldnt happen would it? i believe, in the muslim world, atleast many parts of it, the woman is ostracized, and in many cases stoned. you were comparing?

If these wud work then the world wud have been a conflict free zone long time back.

dont be naiive - we have to have conflict in order to survive. its human instinct to cause conflict. i think we both know that there will never, ever be peace and tranquility for any extended length of time, anywhere in the world.

This is no war, war is when both sides of almost equal power fight . This is invasion of a powerless country for the sake of greed and the ones doing it are not trained army they are perverts of the screwed up american society .

despite the fact that you feel that you can define war for your agenda.. there is a neutral source known as wikipedia which claims the following:

War is a state of widespread conflict between states, organisations, or relatively large groups of people, which is characterised by the use of violent, physical force between combatants or upon civilians. Other terms for war, which often serve as euphemisms, include armed conflict, hostilities, and police action (see limitations on war below). War is contrasted with peace, which is usually defined as the absence of war.

by this definition, this IS a war. and guess what? almost every single war in history has been fought over resources such as land or natural resources. how is this any different? your characterizations of american society as being perverted are stupid. learn about society before making generalizations that you have no clue about. every society has good and bad people... if you're addressing the abu ghraib issue, i will tell you again - maybe its a little hard to read

THEY ARE STILL ALIVE! all that happened to the was having panties on their heads, or having dogs bark at them or something along those lines. they kinda still have their heads on their shoulders, DONT THEY?

And abt hit and run tactics , if they are provided with the same weapons do u think they wud hit and run , Think again .
U know what makes a human blow himself up to kill others . Think wht kind of extreme suffering wud make u do that.

suffering is irrelevant when you have nothing to compare it to. it only is characterized as suffering if you have experienced something better or someone has told you of something better. guess who you can blame for that? the imams that you have who are running around bullshitting young men and women that if they blew themselves up killing other people, theyd go to heaven so that they could engage in child sex. (wow... what an incentive - you were talking about perverted societies?)

U seem to have mixed up the fundamental basic rights of women like dignity , safety , and security with driving or voting.
is that the justification for doing these acts .

right.. when i think of dignity, safety and security for women i care about, i instantly think of muslim nations. are you out of your mind?

[Cragg]

THEY ARE STILL ALIVE! all that happened to the was having panties on their heads, or having dogs bark at them or something along those lines. they kinda still have their heads on their shoulders, DONT THEY?

May u experience and enjoy such a wonderful life having ur head on ur shoulders, doesnt matter if ur mouth is stuffed with panties, or ur as*** with d***.

atleast many parts of it, the woman is ostracized, and in many cases stoned. you were comparing?

Your specific case analysis amazes me u talk abt one case in a million and u highlight it so much . as u have already acknowledged there are rustics everywhere. What abt evry 3 among 10 being victims of violence by an army.

despite the fact that you feel that you can define war for your agenda.. there is a neutral source known as wikipedia which claims the following:

Increase your sources to generalising all kinds of war.

and take specific cases with some historical background and an overall view.

your characterizations of american society as being perverted are stupid. learn about society before making generalizations that you have no clue about. every society has good and bad people...

ya there might still be some good people in that society

it only is characterized as suffering if you have experienced something better or someone has told you of something better. guess who you can blame for that? the imams that you have who are running around bullshitting young men and women that if they blew themselves up killing other people, theyd go to heaven so that they could engage in child sex. (wow... what an incentive - you were talking about perverted societies?)

Imams and there bullshitting I think you are licking more of it than to whom it is targetted.

Talking abt incentives you get better incentives like gay & lesbian rights all in the name of f**** freedom. In the free society where childsex might be legally wrong but the most rampant.maybe coz the societies children are desperate.

atleast there its only promised by some A**** not actually does it occur.

i instantly think of muslim nations. are you out of your mind?

then you are not alone there are billions thinking abt them

[Akshay]

http://www.davidswanson.org/?q=node/551

[mango]

May u experience and enjoy such a wonderful life having ur head on ur shoulders, doesnt matter if ur mouth is stuffed with panties, or ur as*** with d***.

it seems as though you have share a tendency with DQ. Both of you love to talk about homosexual acts with a certain admiration and disgust. I'm not going to judge what you do in the dark recesses of your house or boyfriend's house. Try and keep your urges off this board. I'm trying to engage in a civilized discussion. You seem to be unable to do this. Come back to the board once you have obtained a sense of control over your bipolar attitude toward anything western.

Your specific case analysis amazes me u talk abt one case in a million and u highlight it so much . as u have already acknowledged there are rustics everywhere. What abt evry 3 among 10 being victims of violence by an army.

proof - where's your proof for your supposed claim that every 3 of 10 victims of violence are due to an army's actions? don't go around making claims without evidence to back it up.

Increase your sources to generalising all kinds of war.
and take specific cases with some historical background and an overall view.

what the hell are you talking about?

ya there might still be some good people in that society

how long did it take you to come up with that one? if this is somehow funny to you, you have serious issues. and btw, if the majority of american society was "bad" as you characterized it, you would either be dead or a slave.

Imams and there bullshitting I think you are licking more of it than to whom it is targetted.
Talking abt incentives you get better incentives like gay & lesbian rights all in the name of f**** freedom. In the free society where childsex might be legally wrong but the most rampant.maybe coz the societies children are desperate.
atleast there its only promised by some A**** not actually does it occur.

its irrelevant whether they are bullshitting or not. the people who they are preaching to believe it and thus, you see suicide bombers and such. and yes, homosexuals get rights too. i can just see the blood boiling inside you because you cannot fathom the possibility that they are actually able to survive and be active and constructive contributors to society. Don't make bullshit claims about the frequency of child sex in a society without evidence so that you can push your agenda.

then you are not alone there are billions thinking abt them

hmm.. maybe i should be a little more explicit in being sarcastic because you seem to have a really hard time reading.

[Cragg]

May u experience and enjoy such a wonderful life having ur head on ur shoulders, doesnt matter if ur mouth is stuffed with panties, or ur as*** with d***.

it seems as though you have share a tendency with DQ. Both of you love to talk about homosexual acts with a certain admiration and disgust. I'm not going to judge what you do in the dark recesses of your house or boyfriend's house. Try and keep your urges off this board. I'm trying to engage

Imams and there bullshitting I think you are licking more of it than to whom it is targetted.
Talking abt incentives you get better incentives like gay & lesbian rights all in the name of f**** freedom. In the free society where childsex might be legally wrong but the most rampant.maybe coz the societies children are desperate.
atleast there its only promised by some A**** not actually does it occur.

explicit in being sarcastic because you seem to have a really hard time reading.

Abandon the search for Truth; settle for a good fantasy.-AU

[mango]

Cragg, do yourself a favor and take some ritalin. You seem to be afflicted with some sort of ADD where you cannot hold a single intelligent conversation for any length of time. You have no counters to my arguments besides irrelevant and unfounded claims.

[Cragg]

Cragg, do yourself a favor and take some ritalin. You seem to be afflicted with some sort of ADD where you cannot hold a single intelligent conversation for any length of time. You have no counters to my arguments besides irrelevant and unfounded claims.

He doesn't know the meaning of the word 'intelligence' - but then again he doesn't know the meaning of most words @mango

[mango]

He doesn't know the meaning of the word 'intelligence' - but then again he doesn't know the meaning of most words @mango

coming from you, i actually take that as a compliment.