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Re: Separate AP?

by Miffed HP » Mon May 22, 2006 6:56 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:
Mayavi Morpheus wrote:The only thing that a seperate telangana state will ensure is a new assembly,a cabinet, a new chopper for the CM and the assorted expediture and nothing else.
well said, Mayavi




That also hits the hammer right on the head apropos the politicos' need for a new T state.
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by blackcobra » Wed May 24, 2006 10:41 pm

We dont ned separate AP



we need seperate INDIA for Non- reserved candidates

where we can live happily w/o this bloody reservations
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by WTF??? HP » Thu May 25, 2006 1:21 am

blackcobra wrote:We dont ned separate AP

we need seperate INDIA for Non- reserved candidates
where we can live happily w/o this bloody reservations




You could've posted this in one of the many threads dedicated to the issue. Don't insult the gravity of either issue by trivialising it thus.
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by Sri » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:53 pm

It would be my reaction to all the separatist and anti-national crap that you have been dishing out on these forums.




Hey HP,

Listen,

I was trying to expose the cunningness and unauthorized domination Marwadis over southern states.

You are diverting the topic cunningly.

Listen, I am a faithful Central Govt Staff.

I know what happens in India.

Definitely you can not match my services to the government of India.

You must be a bihari bug settled in a private set up in Hyderabad aiming for more money.

I may be wrong on your identity.

But dont give confused and wrong statements about me

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by Hard Hitting HP » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:56 am

Sri wrote:Hey HP,
Listen,
I was trying to expose the cunningness and unauthorized domination Marwadis over southern states.


And I call this an unwarranted attack on a community, which is wrong.


Sri wrote:Listen, I am a faithful Central Govt Staff.
I know what happens in India.
Definitely you can not match my services to the government of India.


If you think having a govt. job is equivalent to serving the country, you're wrong. Serving the country means a lot more than that. But can't help it as you wn't get beyond your own myopic vision.

Sri wrote:You must be a bihari bug settled in a private set up in Hyderabad aiming for more money.


First of all, I'm not a bihari.

Secondly, biharis are humans, not bugs.

Third, even if a bihari were to be settled in AP, whats wrong in that? Is AP a different country? And is DQ listening?

Sri wrote:I may be wrong on your identity.


You sure are.

Sri wrote:But dont give confused and wrong statements about me
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




I was not in the least bit confused when I wrote those remarks about you. And can you please tell me which of my remarks was wrong?
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by Sri » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:57 pm

If you think having a govt. job is equivalent to serving the country, you're wrong




Do the government job sincerely.

That too truely helping the poor out of the way.

You will feel heaven.

You will see GOD.



In my case I am infact helping the north Indian poor :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You will feel shocked that even Punjab is divided by caste

Even among sikhs there exists catagories of low caste and _ high caste.



One additional point.

I hate rich people.

That too rich money lenders
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by mango » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:26 am

ok.. im new to this topic, so if someone could do me a favor and give me a quick gist of pro and con for both sides, i'd appreciate it.. so taht i can take a stance upon it myself. thanks
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by Reality » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:47 am

Sri wrote:
If you think having a govt. job is equivalent to serving the country, you're wrong



You will feel shocked that even Punjab is divided by caste
Even among sikhs there exists catagories of low caste and _ high caste.





Its surprising that you dint know this for so long.
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:27 am

Sri wrote:I hate rich people.
thats most likely coz u are not rich. its hsows yr prejusiced and envious mentality.
wtf? i no longer care if my posts hurt yr feelings :roll:
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Jus a perspective

by Ramya » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:03 pm

I was born and brought up in Vizag. Lived there till I was 17 and then shifted to Hyderabad. It was then that I was introduced to the whole Telangana - Andhra debate. Till then, I had assumed that Andhra meant the whole state, every region (come on...that is the name of the state, after all...it hadn't anything to with regionalism...I wasn't even aware of belonging to a different region at that time!!).



Well, not that I was making much of a point earlier - just trying to say that for a long time, for some of us, the Telangana debate was a non-issue, atleast in the Coastal Andhra region. Nobody thought anything was going to come out of it. But now, that doesn't seem possible...



Btw, many years ago, there was an agitation in andhra too ..when people from the coastal region wanted a seperate andhra state!!!
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by smack » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:25 pm

The solution is not a separate state. I hail from a backward telangana district and from a farmer's family.



Give them water for farming and good quality electricity. No one would ask for a separate state.



A small mistake by CB Naidu (Of not accommodating KCR in his cabinet) led to this movement. It is not out of live for telangana that KCR floated TRS. It was his was of getting back at CBN.



One fact no one refute is that Telangana is infact backward. They have no water. Their farming is mostly on lift irrigation for which they have to pay towards power bills where as people in costal belt / andhra have abundant irrigation projects.



Has any one given a thought to the fact that Godavari river enters into AP at Basar, Adilabad dist and still we have EG and WG on the other end of the state?? The train, Godavari express, runs not between Hyd - Basar but Hyd - Vizag?? And still Adilabad district hardly gets any water from Godavari river.



Hopefully the Jalayagnam taken up by YSR will get some water to parched telangana lands and this movement will die its natural death.



One more observation on this issue: Last general elections BJP went to people with the slogan "One vote two states". Since they needed CBN for the survival of their govt at centre, they never spoke of telangana. Now that they are out of power, they are demanding for the separate state. And their justification is that since TDP was against it, they could not do it. Well, Manmohan Singh's govt is living on support of CPI/CPM and they oppose it. Going by the same yardstick, Congress cannot be blamed by BJP for not really moving towards separate telangana.



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Re: Jus a perspective

by smack » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:27 pm

Ramya wrote:I was born and brought up in Vizag. Lived there till I was 17 and then shifted to Hyderabad. It was then that I was introduced to the whole Telangana - Andhra debate. Till then, I had assumed that Andhra meant the whole state, every region (come on...that is the name of the state, after all...it hadn't anything to with regionalism...I wasn't even aware of belonging to a different region at that time!!).

Well, not that I was making much of a point earlier - just trying to say that for a long time, for some of us, the Telangana debate was a non-issue, atleast in the Coastal Andhra region. Nobody thought anything was going to come out of it. But now, that doesn't seem possible...

Btw, many years ago, there was an agitation in andhra too ..when people from the coastal region wanted a seperate andhra state!!!




Well, people living in the fertile lands of coastal belt would not know abt the problems in Telangana region.
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whats the wrong

by veerandhra » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:41 pm

whats the wrong in being united...........its all political drama

it was happened in 1970es , what happened .......ended with political manipulations even after blood shed of so many poor, innocent peopel

nothing will going to gain for these poor people , we have been seeing jharkand, uttarancha, and chattish garh
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Re: whats the wrong

by smack » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:43 pm

veerandhra wrote:wwe have been seeing jharkand, uttarancha, and chattish garh




What have u seen in Jharkand, Uttaranchal n Chattisgarh???
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Re: whats the wrong

by fn » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:30 pm

smack wrote:
veerandhra wrote:wwe have been seeing jharkand, uttarancha, and chattish garh


What have u seen in Jharkand, Uttaranchal n Chattisgarh???




tht after separation they r living a more worse life
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"vivisection" into smaller areas ... MEANINGLESS!

by HH » Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:33 pm

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smack wrote:
veerandhra wrote:wwe have been seeing jharkand, uttarancha, and chattish garh *****


What have u seen in Jharkand, Uttaranchal n Chattisgarh *****???


tht after separation they r living a more worse life *****




***** The "Seven Sisters" of the North East, slashed out of ASSAM / "The Incomparable" ... Their plight beggars description ... Yet people clamour for further division / "vivisection" into smaller areas ... Only Two National Highways, running through Assam linking them ... The Army strives to hold them from "separating out" ...



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seperate state

by ajay » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:45 am

Before 1948, Telangana people were not encouraged in education system, and education was available for children of people who used to help nizam in controlling other telanganites. That education also was very low because they were uninspired but not they were lazy.



The result obviously affects next generations and caused for un development of telangana in education, in political system etc..



In coastal Andhra & Rayalseema where British rule was there, education system was not affected as Britishers didn't opposed for it.



After 1956, when Andhra Pradesh formed obviously the Jobs in the state would be occupied by intelligent people who were Andhrites & Rayalseema people.



If you are in good position where you can give job and 10 people applied for 3 positions, in which you know 2 of them who may be of your village or town or your relative. Then whom you would do favour , obviously to them whom you know.



Here first andhrites where in good position compared to telanganites and the favourism continued in exponential way.



This led to unemployment and majority of telanganites became poor day by day.

When you are starving for food then can you keep shut your mouth and be silent.

Telanganites where not lazy but they were uninspired and they didn't get any chances for growth, so they used to be seen as lazy.



Andhrites are well educated because you have source and can see the goal.



If you are good person but if you get continuosly get cheated , then you will also cheat. This is answer for them who tell telanganites cheat.



Even though one of us are in city in developed community, we cry seeing our friends & relatives who are leading very bad life.



To understand & before writing anything about against telangana you do one thing:"Take only Rs800 and live for whole month with that money in any village of telangana to understand about it"

"Rs 800 is average cost of living per month in telangana villages"



This problem would be solved if we get our share.
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telugu nationalism

by vakibs » Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:03 pm

It is unfortunate that none of our politicians have a good understanding of history or economics.



The 18th century saw the rise of the nation-states - France, Germany, Italy etc were unified for the first time. The nation state was built on the basis of culture (the most important element of culture being the language). The unification of nations was a necessary start for the capitalist development and industrial revolution.



The countries of Europe which were not unified lagged behind (balkan states etc).



Countries like India were exploited under the name of colonies for 200 years. Our society is currently in a weird feudal state still awaiting an industrial revolution. If we don't build a strong nationalist feeling, we cannot step into that stage.



India is actually not a nation-state but a happy international-state. It has no single language. The linguistic states form the basis for the real nationalist feeling (Telugu people, Kannada people and so on). Instead of language, if this feeling is built on top of religion, caste etc, we will keep fighting and never see progress.



So, it is inevitable that Telangana and Andhra regions have to be unified. If the state is seperated, the Telangana peole will get a quota of government jobs BUT NOTHING MORE. It is really sad that some regions of the state are under developed. But development comes only through industrial revolution, nothing else.



A seperate Telangana will have two severe problems :

1) It will lack the support of rich andhra NRI investments

2) It lacks a coastline. Most of the industrial centres of the world are situated next to the sea, due to the ease of transportation. Look at the globe to convince yourself.



Please read my article for a comprehensive overview of this argument :

[url]the-redpill.blogspot.com/2006/09/t-e-l-u-g-u-n-t-i-o-n-l-i-s-m.html[/url]
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seperate state

by ajay » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:59 pm

Mr. Vakib said

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So, it is inevitable that Telangana and Andhra regions have to be unified. If the state is seperated, the Telangana peole will get a quota of government jobs BUT NOTHING MORE. It is really sad that some regions of the state are under developed. But development comes only through industrial revolution, nothing else.



A seperate Telangana will have two severe problems :

1) It will lack the support of rich andhra NRI investments

2) It lacks a coastline. Most of the industrial centres of the world are situated next to the sea, due to the ease of transportation. Look at the globe to convince yourself.

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Thank you for the support of rich andhra NRI investments.



Does the investments you are putting here are begged by Telangana people?



Are they for charity developing us without any selfish reasons?



With your investments mostly what a individual person can get?

May be Rs3000 per month for 8hrs per day work.



So if you think Telangana is benefiting with the industrial revolution then why can't you leave us when we are refusing your help.



TELANGANA NRI's are waiting for the opportunity to invest, which is taken by so called andra NRIs with poltical influence.



If development is there on coastal side then why didn't we migrate to your area? And why you people are migrating to Telangana Regions?



Check in all villages and towns where andhrites doing many jobs. But we don't find any telanganite getting job in andhra region.!!!!!!!!!



Industrial Revolution was more started by Britishers. Then why did all of them fight for freedom? We should have enjoyed under their rule@@@@@



Then according to you we should treat Britishers as our well wishers and tell sorry for what we have done to them and invite them back for Industrial revolution. hahahahaha :D



The answer to this is we need our self respect.





Check out any of you who are talking of united andhra?

Why are you people fearing of seperation when telanganites are at loss side?

Check out in this forum how an non-telanganite (Mr Sud (who claims he is telanganite and left it 10 years back) was abusing telangana people with bad words.

That itself shows your domination and lack of respect towards telangana people.



SO if you (Andhrites & Rayala seema people) really have love towards your brothers(telanganites) then why can't you support for telangana seperation and we(all three regions) will develop more with competetion and maintain good relations in future instead of fighting in one house.
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Re: seperate state

by vakibs » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:10 pm

Thank you for the support of rich andhra NRI investments.

Does the investments you are putting here are begged by Telangana people?

Are they for charity developing us without any selfish reasons?

With your investments mostly what a individual person can get?
May be Rs3000 per month for 8hrs per day work.

So if you think Telangana is benefiting with the industrial revolution then why can't you leave us when we are refusing your help.

TELANGANA NRI's are waiting for the opportunity to invest, which is taken by so called andra NRIs with poltical influence.

If development is there on coastal side then why didn't we migrate to your area? And why you people are migrating to Telangana Regions?

Check in all villages and towns where andhrites doing many jobs. But we don't find any telanganite getting job in andhra region.!!!!!!!!!

Industrial Revolution was more started by Britishers. Then why did all of them fight for freedom? We should have enjoyed under their rule@@@@@

Then according to you we should treat Britishers as our well wishers and tell sorry for what we have done to them and invite them back for Industrial revolution. hahahahaha :D

The answer to this is we need our self respect.

Check out any of you who are talking of united andhra?
Why are you people fearing of seperation when telanganites are at loss side?
Check out in this forum how an non-telanganite (Mr Sud (who claims he is telanganite and left it 10 years back) was abusing telangana people with bad words.




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I have no complaints if Telangana seperates away. It is better to get seperated than to keep whining like this. I tell you - Andhra people have nothing to lose if Telangana is chipped away. The Andhra region would have a high literacy rate and enough source of funds. It has a diverse landscape - with mountains, sea-coast, fertile soils, mineral deposits and thousands of dialects for speech.



I consider myself a Telugu nationalist and think of all Telugu speaking people as my brothers. If you have problems with this, well, that is YOUR problem.



And about your comparison with Britishers, man, you are sad :) We were a colony of England, that means we were exploited economically - VERY BADLY. Indian nationalist movement is more about "economic independence" than about self-respect "Aathma-gauravam". When you say things like Britishers developed India (which is what KCR has said by the way), you don't know how STUPID you look. Look at the figures of per capita income between 1700 and 1947 for both India and England. You will see what I am talking about.



Do you know whyChina is progressing consistently with a 10 growth rate ? Do you know the share of the industrial investment done in China by expatriate Chinese (non-resident Chinese) What are the same figures for India ?



We make for a very sad comparison. The reason for this is the lack of the spirit of nationalism in India - a nationalism defined on a common language and culture. This is exactly where Telugu nationalism connects the dots.
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Re: seperate state

by vakibs » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:34 pm

vakibs wrote: Look at the figures of per capita income between 1700 and 1947 for both India and England. You will see what I am talking about.




Do you understand what imperialism means ? It means the shipping of wealth away from the colony(India) to the mainland called metropolis(England). As India's per capita income was stagnated, England proceeded with the industrial revolution and an exponential growth rate in income. As I said, please check the graph of per capita income between 1700 to 1947 for both India and England.



Now for the sake of comparison, observe the graph of per capita income between 1950 and 2006 for the Telangana and Andhra regions. Our growth has been quite uniform. Andhra region did not have an industrialization at the expense of Telangana. In fact, the opposite has been true - with industries being shifted to Hyderabad instead of more convenient locations like Vizag (access to the sea).



If Telangana region has anything to cry about, it is the 200 years of feudal Nizam rule. Now plesae try remembering who has helped you with the struggle against that rule ? Your brothers from the Andhra region. Several intellectuals from the coastal districts have risked their lives to participate in the political armed struggle against the razakars.



But as I said, please go ahead and seperate yourselves out. People will realize something is missing only when they get to see it. Say goodbye to the legacy of Gurajada Apparao, Kandukuri Viresalingam and Tanguturi Prakasham. Start worshipping clowns like KCR. This will suit you quite well.
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Re: seperate state

by ajay » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:47 am

vakibs wrote:Hello there
I have no complaints if Telangana seperates away. It is better to get seperated than to keep whining like this. I tell you - Andhra people have nothing to lose if Telangana is chipped away. The Andhra region would have a high literacy rate and enough source of funds. It has a diverse landscape - with mountains, sea-coast, fertile soils, mineral deposits and thousands of dialects for speech.


You all should have think it before coming and settling here. We don't have problem who has settled here (telangana politicians and also civilians have no problem with this as any one can settle any where in India) but seeing your resources and can you go away from here. Answer would be-> NO :D


vakibs wrote:I consider myself a Telugu nationalist and think of all Telugu speaking people as my brothers. If you have problems with this, well, that is YOUR problem.

This is not a problem between I & YOU. Individually we also have friends from Andhra Region and our discussion goes in a general way. This is problem of a region.

vakibs wrote:And about your comparison with Britishers, man, you are sad :) We were a colony of England, that means we were exploited economically - VERY BADLY. Indian nationalist movement is more about "economic independence" than about self-respect "Aathma-gauravam".


Do you know what two Telanganites talk:
"We are colony of ANDHRA, that means we are being exploited economically - VERY BADLY. Telangana movement is more about "economic independence" & also about self-respect "Aathma-gauravam".


vakibs wrote:When you say things like Britishers developed India (which is what KCR has said by the way),


We(youth of Telangana) are not supporter of TRS & we don't listen what KCR is saying everyday & we don't beleive him.

We also know the fact that -- he is really a clown who didn't got ticket in TDP and started the Telangana movement for his benefit.

But do you know that this movement is not first time. And KCR beleived he would sustain with this movement as the Telangana sentiment is there in people from 30-40 years back.

And we people also require a person to stand for us & that is achieved by KCR.
When he joined with congress & Telangana was not formed in last 2 years then we Telangana people has voted to TDP in MPTC & ZPTC elections. Seeing that only he has resigned for all posts and now has total dedication for the movement.
We don't care if he is benefited b'cos of movement.

vakibs wrote:(which is what KCR has said by the way),

Thank you for listening to his statements. But why you people are listening to him?????? :shock:
vakibs wrote:When you say things like Britishers developed India

I didn't say Britishers developed India. I said Industrial Revolution was started more by them. you should have read care fully.


vakibs wrote:you don't know how STUPID you look.

You don't know how IDIOT & STUPID you look when you say this to me.
While I didn't started scolding for you for any reason. Be careful before abusing anybody.

vakibs wrote:Look at the figures of per capita income between 1700 and 1947 for both India and England. You will see what I am talking about.

I have nothing to do with those figures.

vakibs wrote:Do you know whyChina is progressing consistently with a 10 growth rate ? Do you know the share of the industrial investment done in China by expatriate Chinese (non-resident Chinese) What are the same figures for India ? We make for a very sad comparison. The reason for this is the lack of the spirit of nationalism in India - a nationalism defined on a common language and culture. This is exactly where Telugu nationalism connects the dots.




Now I don't think comparision to different country for a problem in 1 state of India is logical. This is internal problem not a country problem.



check this link for our competitive ness in economic growth:

"http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/nov2006/gb20061102_791191.htm?chan=rss_topEmailedStories_ssi_5"



check this link for the negative side also "http://countrystudies.us/china/34.htm" which says:



"Numerous reports surfaced of coercive measures used to achieve the desired results of the one-child policy. The alleged methods ranged from intense psychological pressure to the use of physical force, including some grisly accounts of forced abortions and infanticide. Chinese officials admitted that isolated, uncondoned abuses of the program occurred and that they condemned such acts, but they insisted that the family planning program was administered on a voluntary basis using persuasion and economic measures only. International reaction to the allegations were mixed. The UN Fund for Population Activities and the International Planned Parenthood Association were generally supportive of China's family planning program. The United States Agency for International Development, however, withdrew US$10 million from the Fund in March 1985 based on allegations that coercion had been used. "



Now do you think this system if implemented in India what happens again? We also have same population problem that also we can't control compared to china. Now that is again a total country's problem (out of discussion) :D
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Re: seperate state

by ajay » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:30 am

vakibs wrote: Do you understand what imperialism means ? It means the shipping of wealth away from the colony(India) to the mainland called metropolis(England). As India's per capita income was stagnated, England proceeded with the industrial revolution and an exponential growth rate in income. As I said, please check the graph of per capita income between 1700 to 1947 for both India and England.


I have said before I have nothing to do with with per capita income between 1700 to 1947 for both India and England.


vakibs wrote:Now for the sake of comparison, observe the graph of per capita income between 1950 and 2006 for the Telangana and Andhra regions. Our growth has been quite uniform.


Please provide the link for these statement. Really I want to know.
But what I have seen personally is our villages poverty growth and yours prosperous growth was uniform.


vakibs wrote: Andhra region did not have an industrialization at the expense of Telangana. In fact, the opposite has been true - with industries being shifted to Hyderabad instead of more convenient locations like Vizag (access to the sea).


Now you have came on to the track. Industries moved to hyderabad & used our resources for their development. But when it comes to giving jobs in this private industries you people are favouring to your region people first & giving few jobs if you don't find labour for sustaining your industries.

When Government Jobs are robbed by you. Then why would any private industry would favour us.

vakibs wrote: If Telangana region has anything to cry about, it is the 200 years of feudal Nizam rule. Now plesae try remembering who has helped you with the struggle against that rule ? Your brothers from the Andhra region. Several intellectuals from the coastal districts have risked their lives to participate in the political armed struggle against the razakars.


You are obviously correct. Nizams are the main cause for the undevelopment here. But I think central govenment has helped in merging Hyderabad state to India. You people where out of scene at that time. If really anyone has helped(there may be some good people) can you show the proof of it.

You may be easily show as you people has written the books with only your name & avoiding any of our people names to come out.

vakibs wrote:But as I said, please go ahead and seperate yourselves out. People will realize something is missing only when they get to see it.

We would miss our poverty. We would miss those high Land Rates & we may buy some land. We may miss the pollution created by the industries for their selfish needs. We may miss the moments we were enjoying unemployment with our starved stomachs. And so much we have to miss :cry:

vakibs wrote:Say goodbye to the legacy of Gurajada Apparao, Kandukuri Viresalingam and Tanguturi Prakasham.


Can you name any leader from list who belongs to Telangana?. Or do you remember any names of Telangana fighters??
I also can't name as we studied only about your people and only of your region richness.
I can't remember names of our villages in child hood as I know the names of Vijaywada, Rajamundry etc..


vakibs wrote:Start worshipping clowns like KCR. This will suit you quite well.


Do you know what Tanguturi Prakasham is before coming to politics?

And you are worshipping your leader.

That's why if we got economical growth & self respect then we would really start worshipping our leader (KCR or any body who has leaded the movement). Though initially he may be clown but he would become Great Person if he walks on that path.



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by vakibs » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:21 am

Hi Ajay

You are obviously an intelligent guy, but you are missing my point. There could have been some Andhra settlers who are favoring their own people for giving jobs here. I don't know about this exactly because I wasn't born in Telangana. But how different is this from people favoring their own caste when giving jobs ?



Do you think seperation from AP automatically gives prosperity to these regions ? You trust politicians like KCR, MSR etc to walk on the right path ?



You are failing to see the deeper problem. The problem lies in the remnants of feudalism that we are suffering from. These attitudes translate into favoritism, caste system, religious fanaticism etc. The only weapon to attack this is a nationalist feeling. That feeling has come in Bengal before the independence. It has caught on in Andhra Pradesh due to people like Gurajada Apparao, Viresalingam etc. That is the reason why I mentioned those names. Their work is not completely done. As it is obvious, there is a lot to still do.



What I am trying to say is that this nationalist feeling comes from the love of the language. Even after seperation, you should be careful to be proud of your language and culture. That includes poetry written by Nannaya and Vemana, films starring Chiranjeevi and so on. Speaking of a seperate Telangana culture will obviously reduce the splendor. You seem to have some misconceptions that Andhra people don't like the culture of Telangana. People see no difference between Pothana (telangana) and Thikkana (andhra). We are equally proud of them.



Do you know what Tanguturi Prakasham has done ? He was a freedom fighter, not a politician. He died as a penniless man though he served as the first CM of Andhra. He was a great lawyer but he spent all his riches donating to the poor. The current crop of politicians are a bunch of losers - both from Andhra and Telangana regions. But I tell you man, times are going to change.



Also don't try to deny that you are comparing the Andhra-Telangana issue to the England-India issue. That is the reason why I got irritated and used terms like STUPID. Any person who compares in these terms deserves to be called like that.



I am quite busy right now, so I cannot provide references that you asked for. But will do it ilater.
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Re: seperate state

by ajay » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:21 pm

ajay wrote:Industrial Revolution was more started by Britishers. Then why did all of them fight for freedom? We should have enjoyed under their rule@@@@@

Then according to you we should treat Britishers as our well wishers and tell sorry for what we have done to them and invite them back for Industrial revolution. hahahahaha :D

The answer to this is we need our self respect.




This is what I said and now tell me where did I compare.



What I mean is this:

"People who has started Industrial Revolution are not well wishers of that region."



We are not politicians to fight but did you see why youth enters politics twice only for this sentiment.



You may remember one saying " The person who has harmed doesn't remember that issue but who has been harmed remembers" .

That's the difference of thinking in our opinions.



We have more friends from Andhra region then from Telangana (as in city you don't find them more also). But we have no problem with them personally and we still maintain the same relation.



As I have seen both my friends in city & my relatives & friends in villages, I can better understand more of both sides.



If we see in your point of view:



You think

"We are prosperous (seeing your surroundings only you tell ) and why do they want to divide people with same language. "



If I am in your place I would think in your way. But you all think in our angle to understand our problems. (It doesn't matter if you understand or not)



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You said:

There could have been some Andhra settlers who are favoring their own people for giving jobs here. I don't know about this exactly because I wasn't born in Telangana. But how different is this from people favoring their own caste when giving jobs ?

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You are right. There are few good & few bad people either side. More than other region people we have lossed so much b'cos of our politicians who has given nativity certificates to other region people for their own benefits.



You don't find caste favour in Telangana Regions as you find in other. Check examples of movies which cashes with that feelings in that regions.

If you have lived in our region you would have known this.



We also like your Big artists in film industry but did we tell we don't find this region artists in film industry other than (Nitin Reddy,Venu Madhav, Prabhakar Reddy & few I don't remeber)



We can't blame entire region for that also. Only people from East Godavai & West Godavari are ruling Film Industry. In that also mainly two castes.



I accept this is not favourism done to your whole region as your North Andhra also demands seperate state because of their undevelopment.



And small states don't develop is a wrong statement.

Check singapore, smallest country(instead of china) with area 699 km² has developed. but comparision wouldn't be correct every where.



We can be friends without these political reasons.



This discussion would never end , but the main motive is we should not develop hatred ( as done in previous posts) but you should express your point of views only.
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