Concentration camps in the 21st Century. The world sits and

[Cragg]

He doesn't know the meaning of the word 'intelligence' - but then again he doesn't know the meaning of most words @mango

coming from you, i actually take that as a compliment.

gud take one more as a compliment



Brains aren't everything. In fact in your case they're nothing -SP

[mango]

wow! you're a genius cragg.. keep living in your little world where you can make retarded claims with other retards. you seem delusionally happy

[Cragg]

wow! you're a genius cragg.. keep living in your little world where you can make retarded claims with other retards. you seem delusionally happy

you are kicked out of my small planet Earth , get the f*** outta here find some planet for retards like u

[manas]

mmm.. unfortunately for you, the world works the other way buddy. go hit that crack pipe so that it can take you back into your delusions.



asshat.

[man4u]

I am strongly against America for invading Iraq and trying Saddam.



Its not totally unacceptable for anybody (citizen of any country in the world) to see that the head of a state (Iraq for now, who knows about tomorrow) being taken in chains and tried like that. Keep him in jail and terrorise the whole nation.



Going by what's happening today no nation can think independently about what is good for its citizens, society and assert its idea of living by its ideas.



It's something like if you dont serve American interests in some or the other way you are bound to be alleged to having links with terrorists and pocess weapons of mass destruction (like saddam) or your freedom to choose peaceful usage of nuclear energy is pojected as making nuclear weapons (Iran).



Whats happening to Iraq and Iran today can happen tomorrow to anybody(any country)





so friends shall we start a petition online to UNO to assert itselves?



Please....

[Cragg]

kudos to u



Go ahead mine will be the first signature to clean the world of



USMC- Uncle Sams Misguided Children

[Cragg]

mmm.. unfortunately for you, the world works the other way buddy. go hit that crack pipe so that it can take you back into your delusions.

asshat.

He@mango has that rare gift of trying to make his way in the world by pushing against the doors marked 'Pull'. .



aashat with ahole

You must have a very large brain, to hold so much ignorance.?

[mango]

kudos to u

Go ahead mine will be the first signature to clean the world of

USMC- Uncle Sams Misguided Children

unfortunately for you, any of the USMC can kill you at the drop of a hat. so yes, please, by all means, try and "clean" the world.

the truth is a bitch aint it?

[mango]

He@mango has that rare gift of trying to make his way in the world by pushing against the doors marked 'Pull'. .

aashat with ahole
You must have a very large brain, to hold so much ignorance.?

ROFL.. you make me laugh with your insults. please do us all a favor and think up real insults huh? your little push and pull sting is pretty lame.

and you speak of ignorance.. i was the one trying to engage in a discussion. you screwed that up with your random claims without evidence.

[mango]

I am strongly against America for invading Iraq and trying Saddam.

Its not totally unacceptable for anybody (citizen of any country in the world) to see that the head of a state (Iraq for now, who knows about tomorrow) being taken in chains and tried like that. Keep him in jail and terrorise the whole nation.

Going by what's happening today no nation can think independently about what is good for its citizens, society and assert its idea of living by its ideas.

It's something like if you dont serve American interests in some or the other way you are bound to be alleged to having links with terrorists and pocess weapons of mass destruction (like saddam) or your freedom to choose peaceful usage of nuclear energy is pojected as making nuclear weapons (Iran).

Whats happening to Iraq and Iran today can happen tomorrow to anybody(any country)


so friends shall we start a petition online to UNO to assert itselves?

Please....

ahh.. finally someone with brains enters this forum. thanks man4u... you're a breath of fresh air.



now onto your horror at saddam being tried. can you please tell me why you're so aghast at saddam being imprisoned and tried? i'm just trying to see what drives your opinion - nothing more, nothing less. i see your point about how this could happen to any nation, but you fail to see that wars cost money and as such, this war is very unpopular at home (in the US). thus, it isnt possible for the US to invade any other country or wage war, even if it is necessary.

[man4u]

I am strongly against America for invading Iraq and trying Saddam.

Its not totally unacceptable for anybody (citizen of any country in the world) to see that the head of a state (Iraq for now, who knows about tomorrow) being taken in chains and tried like that. Keep him in jail and terrorise the whole nation.

Going by what's happening today no nation can think independently about what is good for its citizens, society and assert its idea of living by its ideas.

It's something like if you dont serve American interests in some or the other way you are bound to be alleged to having links with terrorists and pocess weapons of mass destruction (like saddam) or your freedom to choose peaceful usage of nuclear energy is pojected as making nuclear weapons (Iran).

Whats happening to Iraq and Iran today can happen tomorrow to anybody(any country)


so friends shall we start a petition online to UNO to assert itselves?

Please....

ahh.. finally someone with brains enters this forum. thanks man4u... you're a breath of fresh air.

now onto your horror at saddam being tried. can you please tell me why you're so aghast at saddam being imprisoned and tried? i'm just trying to see what drives your opinion - nothing more, nothing less. i see your point about how this could happen to any nation, but you fail to see that wars cost money and as such, this war is very unpopular at home (in the US). thus, it isnt possible for the US to invade any other country or wage war, even if it is necessary.

You seem not to be able to understand Y US is not able to control the violence in IRAQ after Saddam's imprisonment and his subsequent and ongoing trail its coz he has majority with him or the majority doesnt want US/coalition to be there or their intervention.



I strongly feel for the self respect of a nation when it's now deposed head is being brought in chains to the court and tried and anybody supporting him being killed (his lawyer). What US is doing is its tearing the self respect of a nation ( its citizens) , terrorising other nations in effect, securing supply of oil and of course telling everybody there need not be a consensus when US wants to act on anything



I am sure that next elections time he will not be able to misguide Americans about WMD in Iraq and threat to US citizens security.

[mango]

You seem not to be able to understand Y US is not able to control the violence in IRAQ after Saddam's imprisonment and his subsequent and ongoing trail its coz he has majority with him or the majority doesnt want US/coalition to be there or their intervention.

I strongly feel for the self respect of a nation when it's now deposed head is being brought in chains to the court and tried and anybody supporting him being killed (his lawyer). What US is doing is its tearing the self respect of a nation ( its citizens) , terrorising other nations in effect, securing supply of oil and of course telling everybody there need not be a consensus when US wants to act on anything

I am sure that next elections time he will not be able to misguide Americans about WMD in Iraq and threat to US citizens security.

hmmm.. we disagree on the reasons why the violence pervades. the majority of the iraqis are peaceloving people who just want to move into the civilized world and live their lives. unfortunately, iran and other neighboring nations keep sending in fighters to set off bombs, etc. and keep the american troops hunkered down. this tends to create friction between the population and the troops due to mere exposure during a time of war when unfortunate causalties occur. this makes the US look worse and is bad for the whole process.



i really dont understand why the borders arent locked down and no one is allowed to enter or exit iraq. that would massively reduce the violence inside the country. any rebels that remain could be dealt with the iraqis' own militias.



securing a supply of oil? thats a smart thing to do.. if its a nonrenewable natural resource such as fossil fuel, it is the responsibility of a nation to secure it for its citizens.

[man4u]

You seem not to be able to understand Y US is not able to control the violence in IRAQ after Saddam's imprisonment and his subsequent and ongoing trail its coz he has majority with him or the majority doesnt want US/coalition to be there or their intervention.

I strongly feel for the self respect of a nation when it's now deposed head is being brought in chains to the court and tried and anybody supporting him being killed (his lawyer). What US is doing is its tearing the self respect of a nation ( its citizens) , terrorising other nations in effect, securing supply of oil and of course telling everybody there need not be a consensus when US wants to act on anything

I am sure that next elections time he will not be able to misguide Americans about WMD in Iraq and threat to US citizens security.

hmmm.. we disagree on the reasons why the violence pervades. the majority of the iraqis are peaceloving people who just want to move into the civilized world and live their lives. unfortunately, iran and other neighboring nations keep sending in fighters to set off bombs, etc. and keep the american troops hunkered down. this tends to create friction between the population and the troops due to mere exposure during a time of war when unfortunate causalties occur. this makes the US look worse and is bad for the whole process.

i really dont understand why the borders arent locked down and no one is allowed to enter or exit iraq. that would massively reduce the violence inside the country. any rebels that remain could be dealt with the iraqis' own militias.

securing a supply of oil? thats a smart thing to do.. if its a nonrenewable natural resource such as fossil fuel, it is the responsibility of a nation to secure it for its citizens.

Now thats some interesting piece of imagination to say that you cant have a say on the border issues. If you want to close the borders and have a thorough check before somebody enters or leaves iraq you can very well do it. What is stopping you?



You have'nt done that coz you want to have a reason to say that Iran and neighbouring countries are sending armed fighters to fight with US/coalition troops! and Iraqi's just LOVE the US/coalition troops.



And you are right by saying its smart to secure supply of oil for its citizens.

But you could have asked others to increase supply for you for time being and could have tried other ways of getting it from Iraq BUT





you chose to LIE (and That shows UP what your Leader(S) is(are))





You lied to the whole world that there are WMD in Iraq which was'nt the case.



And whats wrong if somebody has WMD's?



Are nuclear weapons not WMD's ? Can they not destroy milions at one go?



NOW



Who has the most stock of Nuclear Weapons (WMD's)?





Think, now going by your logic OF



WMD's and

People are nice and they want to move on to civilised world and live their lives (coz these 2 reasons you cited about Iraq and Iraqi's)



Which country has to be invaded?

[mango]

asking someone to increase the oil supply would be a request. that doesnt guarantee economic security. theres steps that must be taken in order to do that, especially during a time in which nations such as india and china are increasing their consumption in an alarming manner.



who would use their WMDs? a crazed dictator who wants to convert everyone to his religion because thats what his holy book says(iran), a man who's already gassed some of his own citizens and a neighboring country during a previous war(iraq) or a nation that has (i will concede the use of nuclear weapons upon japan) already used, but hasn't yet used the weapons even after 3000+ of its citizens were killed in a single day?



and guess what, i do think certain people are worth more than others, based upon their contributions to society and the world.



that being said, i must say that you do bring up very valid points with evidence - unlike some others...

[man4u]

asking someone to increase the oil supply would be a request. that doesnt guarantee economic security. theres steps that must be taken in order to do that, especially during a time in which nations such as india and china are increasing their consumption in an alarming manner.

who would use their WMDs? a crazed dictator who wants to convert everyone to his religion because thats what his holy book says(iran), a man who's already gassed some of his own citizens and a neighboring country during a previous war(iraq) or a nation that has (i will concede the use of nuclear weapons upon japan) already used, but hasn't yet used the weapons even after 3000+ of its citizens were killed in a single day?

and guess what, i do think certain people are worth more than others, based upon their contributions to society and the world.

that being said, i must say that you do bring up very valid points with evidence - unlike some others...

There are countries who are consuming resources in an alarming manner to YOU!! So you go ahead and invade some country to secure supplies for you, GREAT IDEA!!!!





You dint get any other idea apart from invading that Source of Supply!

Thats the reason I said "That shows UP what your Leader(S) is(are)"



Never say that to anybody It Reflects on the Kind of People of US. (You have done that already by saying that here in the discussion board).



US has wasted enormous amounts of time and money by creating them without the intention of Using them!!! ha ha ha



A country just to secure its sources of energy can invade a country.



Even after its 3000+ citzens are killed it's not using its nuclear weapons if that is what you are saying you are wrong my friend, it's the aftermath that is stopping US (be it aftermath or something else, HE has saved my fellow people in a way) from using them, not that, it has shown enough restraint. The world is'nt the same as it was 50 years back.

[DQ]

AS RAPE death and Horror strike the innocent we debate how and when economic interest and oil need to be secured.



[b]US soldier in gruesome rape claims[/b]

From correspondents in Washington



July 04, 2006



HIDEOUS hints of the desperate, dying moments of a young Iraqi woman have emerged in court documents which charged a 21-year-old ex-US army private of her rape and murder.



The soldier, 101st Airborne veteran Steven Green, also faces charges of shootingthree of her relatives, in a murky, and apparently horrific night of terror and death in war-torn Iraq in mid-March.



The US media and international media have chronicled the flurry of allegations of atrocities against US soldiers in rich detail, in incidents like the Abu Ghraib scandal, and alleged Haditha massacre.



But allegations contained in court documents accompanying the charges against Green were the most grisly and detailed allegations of misconduct yet.



According to the court documents, Green was assigned to a traffic control point in Mahmudiyah, in south-central Iraq.





He spent time with comrades on the evening of March 11, drinking, and talking about having sex with a young Iraqi civilian who lived with her family about 200m away, prosecutors alleged.



Then, according to an affidavit which accompanied a warrant for Green's arrest, they changed into dark clothes and burst in on the house.



Green "covered his face with a brown t-shirt" according to one identified soldier who allegedly went to the house with Green and two others and who was cited in the document.



The FBI affidavit claims Green herded an adult male, an adult woman and a female child into a bedroom - before gunshots were heard.



"I just killed them. All are dead," Green is alleged to have told his comrades.



The young woman's terrible final moments can only be surmised from the neutral legalise of the affidavit, which cites photos taken at the crime scene - and appears to hint at an attempt to cover-up the alleged incident.



"These photos also depict the burned body of what appears to be a woman with blankets thrown over her upper torso," the documents alleged.



US officials could not provide further evidence of the claims contained in the affidavit, and a lawyer for Green could not be contacted.



The allegations, if they are proven, would be the latest explosive evidence of atrocities by US troops in Iraq.



They could also land Green, who legal sources said did not enter a plea when he appeared in court on the charges in North Carolina on Monday, with the death penalty if convicted.



Court documents say the woman who was raped was around 25, and the child about five years old. However, The Washington Post reported from Iraq yesterday that the rape victim might have been as young as 15 years old.

The Post reported that the young woman had expressed fears for her safety after drawing unwelcome attention of US soldiers, and had made arrangements to sleep elsewhere in future.



Military officials were unable to confirm reports that the older man and woman were the parents of the rape victim.



Signs a cover-up may have been attempted by the soldiers were bolstered by the claim in the affidavit that the men returned to their post with blood on their clothes, which they then burned.



Each man told a fifth soldier at the post "this is never to be discussed again", the affidavit said.



The incident first came to the attention of other US military officers when three unidentified Iraq men approached the traffic post on the afternoon of June 12, and said a family had been killed in a house.



It was not until US military officials conducted a "combat stress" debriefing of soldiers from the same unit as two US soldiers whose mutilated bodies were found south of Baghdad on June 16, that the alleged events in the civilian house came to light.



Green, since discharged honourably over a personality disorder, was in the US by then, and was finally arrested after being tracked down by the FBI in North Carolina.

[Cragg]

asking someone to increase the oil supply would be a request. that doesnt guarantee economic security. theres steps that must be taken in order to do that, especially during a time in which nations such as india and china are increasing their consumption in an alarming manner.

who would use their WMDs? a crazed dictator who wants to convert everyone to his religion because thats what his holy book says(iran), a man who's already society and the world.

that being said, i must say that you do bring up very valid points with evidence - unlike some others...

nuclear weapons if that is what you are saying you are wrong my friend, it's the aftermath that is stopping US (be it aftermath or something else, HE has saved my fellow people in a way) from using them, not that, it has shown enough restraint. The world is'nt the same as it was 50 years back.

Man No use talking sense with a a****coming from a society of A*******.





Americans are possibly the dumbest people on the planet. ...We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.

- Michael Moore





A honest confession by some good soul still left in that society.



Earlier I thought that the society was not bad only a handful of selfrighteous leaders were doing all the harm. But this Mango has showed thatwhen an indian can talk with such perversion after staying there for long then what abt those who are r from that soil.





Pity them for they shall face all that they have seen.



As the saying goes" everything that goes around comes round"



and what a pity he thinks that a marine can kill neone newhere at the drop of a hat



let them try killing a mosquitoe without some air support , guided missile or a fully automatic machine gun.



And their bravery is proved everytime they attack the most weakest of Nations . Try doing the same with a country with even quarter the power.

[mango]

There are countries who are consuming resources in an alarming manner to YOU!! So you go ahead and invade some country to secure supplies for you, GREAT IDEA!!!!
You dint get any other idea apart from invading that Source of Supply!
Thats the reason I said "That shows UP what your Leader(S) is(are)"

fine enough. im ignorant. tell me what the other options would be besides securing a county's own oil supply through conquest.

Never say that to anybody It Reflects on the Kind of People of US. (You have done that already by saying that here in the discussion board).

never say what to anybody?

US has wasted enormous amounts of time and money by creating them without the intention of Using them!!! ha ha ha
A country just to secure its sources of energy can invade a country.

uhh.. if the US made enough weapons to decimate the entire earth amny times over, and the sole objective was to use them, then we would sorta be suicidal right? yeahh.. so thats kinda refuted.

think of it this way. if i buy a gun with a shitload of ammo, i'm not necessarily preparing to use it - but i'm definitely not going to rule the option of using it out. does that somewhat makes sense??

Even after its 3000+ citzens are killed it's not using its nuclear weapons if that is what you are saying you are wrong my friend, it's the aftermath that is stopping US (be it aftermath or something else, HE has saved my fellow people in a way) from using them, not that, it has shown enough restraint. The world is'nt the same as it was 50 years back.

wait, so according to you, what exactly is stopping the US from using nukes right now?

NOW

Who has the most stock of Nuclear Weapons (WMD's)?


Think, now going by your logic OF

WMD's and
People are nice and they want to move on to civilised world and live their lives (coz these 2 reasons you cited about Iraq and Iraqi's)

Which country has to be invaded?[/quote]



we were talking about the tendency to use weapons - you dont disarm both the cop as well as the criminal because the criminal finds more weapons as he gets desperate. the cops need weapons in order to protect the rest of the world. personally, i dont liek the fact that the US is acting as the world cop.. but i realize that it becomes a responsibility when you're the only remaining superpower.



hell, i want the US to keep our soldiers alive and in good health and keep the money inside the country and develop internal infrastructure instead of on iraq's.

[mango]

Man No use talking sense with a a****coming from a society of A*******.


Americans are possibly the dumbest people on the planet. ...We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.
- Michael Moore

i dont really give a damn about what some fat leftwing piece of shit cares to say about this country. if anything, im happy that he considers me to be the bad one.. i dont go down with the whole new world order socialist agenda.

A honest confession by some good soul still left in that society.

so you believe.. if hes the good soul - then yeah.. im one of the the baddest in the country and im thankful to be so.

Earlier I thought that the society was not bad only a handful of selfrighteous leaders were doing all the harm. But this Mango has showed thatwhen an indian can talk with such perversion after staying there for long then what abt those who are r from that soil.

perversion? you were the one justifying child rape. i wouldnt even be talking about it.

Pity them for they shall face all that they have seen.
As the saying goes" everything that goes around comes round"

more hogwash..
keep praying buddy. keep praying. atleast, thats the only thing you can do.

and what a pity he thinks that a marine can kill neone newhere at the drop of a hat

let them try killing a mosquitoe without some air support , guided missile or a fully automatic machine gun.

you forget about hand-to-hand combat dont you. at this point, i can tell you're some deranged shadow of a man who makes bullshit claims to feel bigger. well, ill let you to it.
hopefully life will treat you better. good luck cragg.

And their bravery is proved everytime they attack the most weakest of Nations . Try doing the same with a country with even quarter the power. [/quote]

[man4u]

Aaaaaaaa wai wai wai wait

Man No use talking sense with a a****coming from a society of A*******.


Americans are possibly the dumbest people on the planet. ...We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.
- Michael Moore

What do you mean by


i dont really give a damn about what some fat leftwing piece of shit cares to say about this country. if anything, im happy that he considers me to be the bad one.. i dont go down with the whole new world order socialist agenda.

A honest confession by some good soul still left in that society.

What do you mean by
so you believe.. if hes the good soul - then yeah.. im one of the the baddest in the country and im thankful to be so.

Earlier I thought that the society was not bad only a handful of selfrighteous leaders were doing all the harm. But this Mango has showed thatwhen an indian can talk with such perversion after staying there for long then what abt those who are r from that soil.

What do you mean by

perversion? you were the one justifying child rape. i wouldnt even be talking about it.

Pity them for they shall face all that they have seen.
As the saying goes" everything that goes around comes round"

What do you mean by
more hogwash..
keep praying buddy. keep praying. atleast, thats the only thing you can do.

and what a pity he thinks that a marine can kill neone newhere at the drop of a hat

let them try killing a mosquitoe without some air support , guided missile or a fully automatic machine gun.

What do you mean by
you forget about hand-to-hand combat dont you. at this point, i can tell you're some deranged shadow of a man who makes bullshit claims to feel bigger. well, ill let you to it.
hopefully life will treat you better. good luck cragg.

And their bravery is proved everytime they attack the most weakest of Nations . Try doing the same with a country with even quarter the power.

[/quote]





ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[man4u]

If you are talking about the tendency to use the weapons what do you mean by that?



America does'nt has that tendency to use those weapons and other countries have the tendency so they should'nt possess!!!!!!!!



Good. Then Please tell me (its a objective question!! Ok ?)



1) which country in the history of mankind has used WMD's like nuclear?



a)North Korea

b)Iraq

c)Iran

d)America



Once a country has used and now it is trying to point at others saying that they have the tendency to use. I would say first try to clean up what that particular country has done and then go on POLICING the world.



First of all we need to understand that there are no superpowers and there will only be smart, agile and innovative powers.



Rules have changed since 70's and 80's



ha ha ha ha





You dont seem to be a responsible individual Since you are agreeing that you are a bad one and you want that to let be so. AND



If thats the case leave others also to remain and if not BCOME bad OK?

Allow Iran to go with its nuclear research even if its for producing a nuclear weapon, do not POLICE. Do not have only those rules which suit you and do not be in a illusion Indians will keep silent with that attitude.



You have talked about



somebody justifying child rape

your unwillingness to go down under whole new socialist world order

somebody being a deranged shadow of a man who makes bullshit claims to feel bigger and you well, ill let him/her to be that.





Nonsense. Its YOU which is



a deranged shadow of man who makes bullshit claims to feel bigger.



coz



nobody has talked justifying a child rape and nobody has talked anything about a socialist order.

[samai]

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.



http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rur ... r~in~train

Army jawans strip passenger in train
Wednesday, 05 July , 2006, 12:18

Begusarai (Bihar): A passenger on the Guwahati-New Delhi North East Express was allegedly stripped and tortured by a group of apparently drunk jawans who have been arrested, Railway Protection Force sources said on Wednesday.

Parmatma Yadav of Balia, Uttar Pradesh, was stripped and forced to run naked in an aisle of the train near Begusarai on Tuesday night, RPF Assistant Commissioner Mahtab Khan and Barauni RPF officer-in-charge O A Khan told PTI.

The jawans allegedly hurled abuses and beat up other passengers in a compartment of the train in a bid to force them out, the sources said, adding that Army headquarters have been informed about the incident.

When the train reached Barauni, the jawans drove out the passengers and threw their belongings on the platform, the victims complained to the Government Railway Police and RPF.

Nine jawans—Navraj Sharma, Rajendra Singh, Digvijay Singh, Mohd Imtiyaz Khan, Mandeep Singh, Hira Singh, Vijaypal Sant, Ram Singh and Shashipal—were arrested on the spot by GRP and RPF personnel.


An FIR was registered with the GRP on the basis of a complaint lodged by Yadav.

How much of such news is allowed to come out in India compared to the western countries? Just a thought.

Digressing a little here, bear with me.


Why did India attack Sri Lanka in 1980's?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_con ... nvolvement

Indian involvement

India became involved in the 1980s for a number of reasons – its leaders' desire to project India as the regional power in the area, worries about India's own Tamils seeking independence, and a genuine concern for the Sri Lankan Tamils' plight. The latter was particularly strong in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, where ethnic kinship led to deep sympathy for the alleged discrimination against Sri Lankan Tamils. In the 1980s, the Indian central and state governments supported both sides in different ways, although it is widely believed that India provided the LTTE and other Tamil guerilla groups with monetary and training support.

India became more actively involved in the late 1980s, and in 1987 the Indian Air Force airdropped food parcels to Jaffna while it was under siege by Sri Lankan forces. Negotiations were held, and the Indo-Sri Lanka Peace Accord was signed on July 29, 1987, by Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Sri Lankan President Jayewardene. Under this accord, the Sri Lankan Government made a number of concessions to Tamil demands, which included devolution of power to the provinces, a merger—subject to later referendum—of the northern and eastern provinces, and official status for the Tamil language (this was eventually enacted as the 13th Amendment). India agreed to establish order in the north and east with an Indian Peace-Keeping Force (IPKF) and to cease assisting Tamil insurgents. Militant groups including the LTTE, although initially reluctant, agreed to surrender their arms to the IPKF.

The Sri Lankan government was facing a mostly unrelated uprising by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna in the south, and called in the Indian military immediately after the agreement was signed. The Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) was formed, and initially oversaw a cease-fire and modest disarmament of the militant groups. The Sri Lankan government pulled its troops south and put down the JVP rebellion.

Few of the concessions agreed to in the Indo-Sri Lankan agreement were implemented. When the LTTE refused to disarm its fighers, the IPKF tried to demobilize them by force and ended up in full-scale conflict with the Tamils they had come to protect. Indian troops were accused of human rights abuses in the north and soon met stiff opposition from the Tamils. Simultaneously, nationalist sentiment led many Sinhalese to oppose the continued Indian presence. These led to the Sri Lankan government's call for India to quit the island, and they allegedly entered into a secret deal with the LTTE that culminated in a ceasefire. However, the LTTE and IPKF continued to have frequent hostilities, and according to some reports, the Sri Lankan government even armed the rebels willing to see the back of the Indian forces. Casualties mounted and eventually India pulled out its troops in March 1990.

Support from India dropped noticeably in 1991, after the assassination of a recently ex-Prime Minister of India, Rajiv Gandhi, by a woman suicide bomber (Thenmuli Rajaratnam) widely believed to be an LTTE member and a victim of IPKF terror. (Fifteen years later, the LTTE issued an apology to India for the assassination.) India remains an outside observer to the ongoing peace process, with frequent demands to press for an extradition of Velupillai Prabhakaran, leader of LTTE, even if a peace deal is struck between the parties in the future. India's central government has been firmly against the LTTE, although they do still speak up for Tamils' rights.

Some more digression.

How many of us go to police stations for help, when we are in trouble?
Normally, whom do we approach in times of need, in India?

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/5704.html

Prevent Police Atrocities in India
203 Signatures

Category: Human Rights

Region: India

Web-site: http://www.livejournal.com/~annegowda/1029.html

Description/History:
January, 2005

Police have been consistently showing violent behavior towards innocent civilians. Some of them have resulted in deaths.

Torture is used widely and is greatly encouraged in the police force. It has become so common in India that, it has become a part of life. One of my family members became a victim of police torture and died.

Full story is at
http://www.livejournal.com/~annegowda/1029.html

Please sign the petition below so as help prevent physical abuse of innocent civilians by police in Bombay, Thrissur, Khanpur, Suratand and elsewhere.

Thank you for your support.

Still digressing.



How many of us have faith in our justice system? To what extent?



Do I still need to research and quote about this issue also for you to understand? Did not believe so.



Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.



We have our issues. Huge ones. Just that they do not come out much.





As for concentartion camps in America, look in our backyard for our concentartion camps in our police stations, say Narayanguda Police Station.



Here's info on American so called concentraion camps:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo ... Facilities



Where's ours?

[man4u]

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rur ... r~in~train

Army jawans strip passenger in train
Wednesday, 05 July , 2006, 12:18

Begusarai (Bihar): A passenger on the Guwahati-New Delhi North East Express was allegedly stripped and tortured by a group of apparently drunk jawans who have been arrested, Railway Protection Force sources said on Wednesday.

Parmatma Yadav of Balia, Uttar Pradesh, was stripped and forced to run naked in an aisle of the train near Begusarai on Tuesday night, RPF Assistant Commissioner Mahtab Khan and Barauni RPF officer-in-charge O A Khan told PTI.

The jawans allegedly hurled abuses and beat up other passengers in a compartment of the train in a bid to force them out, the sources said, adding that Army headquarters have been informed about the incident.

When the train reached Barauni, the jawans drove out the passengers and threw their belongings on the platform, the victims complained to the Government Railway Police and RPF.

Nine jawans—Navraj Sharma, Rajendra Singh, Digvijay Singh, Mohd Imtiyaz Khan, Mandeep Singh, Hira Singh, Vijaypal Sant, Ram Singh and Shashipal—were arrested on the spot by GRP and RPF personnel.


An FIR was registered with the GRP on the basis of a complaint lodged by Yadav.

How much of such news is allowed to come out in India compared to the western countries? Just a thought.

Digressing a little here, bear with me.


Why did India attack Sri Lanka in 1980's?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_con ... nvolvement

Indian involvement

India became involved in the 1980s for a number of reasons – its leaders' desire to project India as the regional power in the area, worries about India's own Tamils seeking independence, and a genuine concern for the Sri Lankan Tamils' plight. The latter was particularly strong in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, where ethnic kinship led to deep sympathy for the alleged discrimination against Sri Lankan Tamils. In the 1980s, the Indian central and state governments supported both sides in different ways, although it is widely believed that India provided the LTTE and other Tamil guerilla groups with monetary and training support.

India became more actively involved in the late 1980s, and in 1987 the Indian Air Force airdropped food parcels to Jaffna while it was under siege by Sri Lankan forces. Negotiations were held, and the Indo-Sri Lanka Peace Accord was signed on July 29, 1987, by Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Sri Lankan President Jayewardene. Under this accord, the Sri Lankan Government made a number of concessions to Tamil demands, which included devolution of power to the provinces, a merger—subject to later referendum—of the northern and eastern provinces, and official status for the Tamil language (this was eventually enacted as the 13th Amendment). India agreed to establish order in the north and east with an Indian Peace-Keeping Force (IPKF) and to cease assisting Tamil insurgents. Militant groups including the LTTE, although initially reluctant, agreed to surrender their arms to the IPKF.

The Sri Lankan government was facing a mostly unrelated uprising by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna in the south, and called in the Indian military immediately after the agreement was signed. The Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) was formed, and initially oversaw a cease-fire and modest disarmament of the militant groups. The Sri Lankan government pulled its troops south and put down the JVP rebellion.

Few of the concessions agreed to in the Indo-Sri Lankan agreement were implemented. When the LTTE refused to disarm its fighers, the IPKF tried to demobilize them by force and ended up in full-scale conflict with the Tamils they had come to protect. Indian troops were accused of human rights abuses in the north and soon met stiff opposition from the Tamils. Simultaneously, nationalist sentiment led many Sinhalese to oppose the continued Indian presence. These led to the Sri Lankan government's call for India to quit the island, and they allegedly entered into a secret deal with the LTTE that culminated in a ceasefire. However, the LTTE and IPKF continued to have frequent hostilities, and according to some reports, the Sri Lankan government even armed the rebels willing to see the back of the Indian forces. Casualties mounted and eventually India pulled out its troops in March 1990.

Support from India dropped noticeably in 1991, after the assassination of a recently ex-Prime Minister of India, Rajiv Gandhi, by a woman suicide bomber (Thenmuli Rajaratnam) widely believed to be an LTTE member and a victim of IPKF terror. (Fifteen years later, the LTTE issued an apology to India for the assassination.) India remains an outside observer to the ongoing peace process, with frequent demands to press for an extradition of Velupillai Prabhakaran, leader of LTTE, even if a peace deal is struck between the parties in the future. India's central government has been firmly against the LTTE, although they do still speak up for Tamils' rights.

Some more digression.

How many of us go to police stations for help, when we are in trouble?
Normally, whom do we approach in times of need, in India?

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/5704.html

Prevent Police Atrocities in India
203 Signatures

Category: Human Rights

Region: India

Web-site: http://www.livejournal.com/~annegowda/1029.html

Description/History:
January, 2005

Police have been consistently showing violent behavior towards innocent civilians. Some of them have resulted in deaths.

Torture is used widely and is greatly encouraged in the police force. It has become so common in India that, it has become a part of life. One of my family members became a victim of police torture and died.

Full story is at
http://www.livejournal.com/~annegowda/1029.html

Please sign the petition below so as help prevent physical abuse of innocent civilians by police in Bombay, Thrissur, Khanpur, Suratand and elsewhere.

Thank you for your support.

Still digressing.

How many of us have faith in our justice system? To what extent?

Do I still need to research and quote about this issue also for you to understand? Did not believe so.

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

We have our issues. Huge ones. Just that they do not come out much.


As for concentartion camps in America, look in our backyard for our concentartion camps in our police stations, say Narayanguda Police Station.

Here's info on American so called concentraion camps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo ... Facilities

Where's ours?

You are bringing in trivial issues.



When we are discussing issues about a country attacking another soveriegn country, deposing its head of state, alleging that a country has WMD's (IRAQ) - attack that country and do not come out with evidence of presence of WMD's is tantamount of global goondaagiri , allege that a country has been into development of nuclear weapons when it is denying tthe charge (IRAN) - bully it with armed assault



And



You are bringing in things like police lockup torture's and some jawans throwing some civilian out of a train



These issues are trivial comparatively and can be discussed elsewhere

[mango]

If you are talking about the tendency to use the weapons what do you mean by that?

America does'nt has that tendency to use those weapons and other countries have the tendency so they should'nt possess!!!!!!!!

Good. Then Please tell me (its a objective question!! Ok ?)

1) which country in the history of mankind has used WMD's like nuclear?

a)North Korea
b)Iraq
c)Iran
d)America

Once a country has used and now it is trying to point at others saying that they have the tendency to use. I would say first try to clean up what that particular country has done and then go on POLICING the world.

First of all we need to understand that there are no superpowers and there will only be smart, agile and innovative powers.

Rules have changed since 70's and 80's

ha ha ha ha

you cant have it both ways. you beg for the US to intervene in other issues, claiming its a superpower, but when it does, its suddenly overstepping its authority and being the big bad one.

the use of nuclear weapons during WWII was in retaliation - not an offensive act. that totally changes your argument doesnt it?

You dont seem to be a responsible individual Since you are agreeing that you are a bad one and you want that to let be so. AND

i said i was the bad one if moore was considered to be the good one.
do yourself a favor and read what i wrote before jumping to conlusions.

If thats the case leave others also to remain and if not BCOME bad OK?
Allow Iran to go with its nuclear research even if its for producing a nuclear weapon, do not POLICE. Do not have only those rules which suit you and do not be in a illusion Indians will keep silent with that attitude.

what attitude is this? what is this illusion that i'm stuck in?
do you really believe the world is fair? come on.. dont be naiive. the world has never been and never will be fair. it is a dog eat dog world and the fittest survive. the weak die.
its that simple.

You have talked about

somebody justifying child rape
your unwillingness to go down under whole new socialist world order
somebody being a deranged shadow of a man who makes bullshit claims to feel bigger and you well, ill let him/her to be that.

Nonsense. Its YOU which is

a deranged shadow of man who makes bullshit claims to feel bigger.

coz

nobody has talked justifying a child rape and nobody has talked anything about a socialist order.

AGAIN, read the goddamn posts. cragg decided that child rape, as promised by the mullahs who promis the 72 virgins in heaven if they kill other people, was better than the rights that the homosexuals enjoy in the US. AND, he brought up quotes of a well known mover and shaker in the socialist circles, aka Michael Moore.



read before jumping to conclusions buddy.

[samai]

[
You are bringing in trivial issues.

When we are discussing issues about a country attacking another soveriegn country, deposing its head of state, alleging that a country has WMD's (IRAQ) - attack that country and do not come out with evidence of presence of WMD's is tantamount of global goondaagiri , allege that a country has been into development of nuclear weapons when it is denying tthe charge (IRAN) - bully it with armed assault

And

You are bringing in things like police lockup torture's and some jawans throwing some civilian out of a train

These issues are trivial comparatively and can be discussed elsewhere

You did not seem to have read what I posted on Indian involvement in SriLanka. We tried at our level of involving in other country's matters.



I also showed that our soldiers did what they did too, something akin to what happened in Abu Gareb where the entire world raised hell. You, as an Indian said, it is matter of small importance !



Also, I went to the grass roots levels of corruption, atrocities and the likes in our system to which you did not even feel that you need to react. But you react to Saddam being put in chains. 80,000 kurds, children, women and men were gased by Saddam. Saddam's henchmen cut those people's tongues who spoke against him. They were hung upside down from roofs, tied and their genitals were given electric shocks. These are some of the excesses that Saddam did to his own people.



And you say what?



Let us clean our act first.