Concentration camps in the 21st Century. The world sits and

[man4u]

samai you wrote



You did not seem to have read what I posted on Indian involvement in SriLanka. We tried at our level of involving in other country's matters.



I also showed that our soldiers did what they did too, something akin to what happened in Abu Gareb where the entire world raised hell. You, as an Indian said, it is matter of small importance !



Also, I went to the grass roots levels of corruption, atrocities and the likes in our system to which you did not even feel that you need to react. But you react to Saddam being put in chains. 80,000 kurds, children, women and men were gased by Saddam. Saddam's henchmen cut those people's tongues who spoke against him. They were hung upside down from roofs, tied and their genitals were given electric shocks. These are some of the excesses that Saddam did to his own people.



And you say what?



Let us clean our act first.







We got involved in SriLanka at their request. We acted on their government's request. We did not go on our own.





In case of Iraq the government dint ask Americans to come and do something as there was no problem to Iraqi Government.



Neither did the peoples leaders go and request American government to help the people because of the wrongs done by Iraqi government(Saddam).



Is it not too much to go on your own, allege that there is something wrong happening , attack them, see to it that you are the beneficiary in the end.



I mean when nobody (neither people nor the iraqi govt) asked you to intervene its your foolishness to go there.



Whenever you ask some military help (like SriLanks did ask us) from somebody its bound to happen (rapes, torture etc) you need to be intelligent before asking. I think you need to read some more on how military operations happen.



coming to Saddam's attrocities - I told you none of the people from Iraq contacted America !! what does that mean ? That life was ok to them. It might be wrong according to you.



We will always have these kind of different laws in different countries. Just because its not ok in your country you say that - that country is bad, that country's govt is bad , we should invade them and place a govt which subscribes to or views. ITS BAD on your part to think like that.



Do you think corruption, police lockup torture are not there in any other countries like US, UK etc



Even today Women were not allowed to vote in some countries go there and say that govt is bad and ask America to liberate the women folk of that country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I have heard that America's next priority is the same



he he he he he he he

[mango]

samai you wrote




We got involved in SriLanka at their request. We acted on their government's request. We did not go on our own.


In case of Iraq the government dint ask Americans to come and do something as there was no problem to Iraqi Government.

thats because the iraqi government was teh one oppressing the people.

Neither did the peoples leaders go and request American government to help the people because of the wrongs done by Iraqi government(Saddam).

how exactly do you weigh the peoples' demands when they are being slaughtered by the government? and infact, there were a number of kurds and shiites who did infact ask for american involvement. if you want the details that you so easily care to brush under the carpet.. heres some from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq#Modern_history)

In 1988, the Saddam government launched the al-Anfal campaign, which led to the deaths of thousands of Kurds in northern Iraq, including the use of chemical weapons; an act that Human Rights Watch characterised as genocide.... During this campaign, the Iraqi government executed approximately 182,000 Kurds....

In April 1991, the Shi'ites in southern Iraq rebelled against Saddam Hussein. Human Rights Watch claimed that Iraqi leaders privately admitted to the killing of nearly 250,000 when suppressing the uprising.

Is it not too much to go on your own, allege that there is something wrong happening , attack them, see to it that you are the beneficiary in the end.

I mean when nobody (neither people nor the iraqi govt) asked you to intervene its your foolishness to go there.

so by your deductions, the allies shouldn't have rescued the jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled and old because they didnt specifically ask for help.

Whenever you ask some military help (like SriLanks did ask us) from somebody its bound to happen (rapes, torture etc) you need to be intelligent before asking.

no shit?

I think you need to read some more on how military operations happen.

HAH.. you just need to read a little more clearly.

coming to Saddam's attrocities - I told you none of the people from Iraq contacted America !! what does that mean ? That life was ok to them. It might be wrong according to you.

[sarcasm]yes.. of course. they didnt contact us so they loved their lives right? [/sarcasm]do i need to copy and paste more wikipedia for you? maybe i should...

During this campaign, the Iraqi government executed approximately 182,000 Kurds..Human Rights Watch claimed that Iraqi leaders privately admitted to the killing of nearly 250,000 when suppressing the uprising.

We will always have these kind of different laws in different countries. Just because its not ok in your country you say that - that country is bad, that country's govt is bad , we should invade them and place a govt which subscribes to or views. ITS BAD on your part to think like that.

what different laws do we have?

Do you think corruption, police lockup torture are not there in any other countries like US, UK etc

they exist to a far smaller extent than they do in any non-western nations..

Even today Women were not allowed to vote in some countries go there and say that govt is bad and ask America to liberate the women folk of that country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have heard that America's next priority is the same

he he he he he he he

i believe its called give and take. wars are too expensive to be waged due to simple generosity.

[man4u]

samai you wrote




We got involved in SriLanka at their request. We acted on their government's request. We did not go on our own.


In case of Iraq the government dint ask Americans to come and do something as there was no problem to Iraqi Government.

thats because the iraqi government was teh one oppressing the people.

Neither did the peoples leaders go and request American government to help the people because of the wrongs done by Iraqi government(Saddam).

how exactly do you weigh the peoples' demands when they are being slaughtered by the government? and infact, there were a number of kurds and shiites who did infact ask for american involvement. if you want the details that you so easily care to brush under the carpet.. heres some from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq#Modern_history)

In 1988, the Saddam government launched the al-Anfal campaign, which led to the deaths of thousands of Kurds in northern Iraq, including the use of chemical weapons; an act that Human Rights Watch characterised as genocide.... During this campaign, the Iraqi government executed approximately 182,000 Kurds....

In April 1991, the Shi'ites in southern Iraq rebelled against Saddam Hussein. Human Rights Watch claimed that Iraqi leaders privately admitted to the killing of nearly 250,000 when suppressing the uprising.

In the above 2 paragraphs of ctrlcnctrlv from wikipedia there is no mention of some people or opposition leaders asking for help from anybody leave alone America. All it says is about Human rights violations. Its foolishness of US to think its the only caretaker of human rights and has least regard for UN. Its a Global Rogue and Terrorist kind of attitude.

Is it not too much to go on your own, allege that there is something wrong happening , attack them, see to it that you are the beneficiary in the end.

I mean when nobody (neither people nor the iraqi govt) asked you to intervene its your foolishness to go there.

so by your deductions, the allies shouldn't have rescued the jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled and old because they didnt specifically ask for help.

You say that they have rescued the jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled but they say that

They launched military operations on Iraq because of the presence of WMD's. When they went ahead with that reason it says that were not really interested in rescuing the jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled.
Now that they dint get WMD's there you say that these jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled have been rescued. ha ha ha ha ha

Whenever you ask some military help (like SriLanks did ask us) from somebody its bound to happen (rapes, torture etc) you need to be intelligent before asking.

no shit?

What shit it has been happening whenever there has been military involvement. It does'nt change when you say " no shit? "

I think you need to read some more on how military operations happen.

HAH.. you just need to read a little more clearly.

coming to Saddam's attrocities - I told you none of the people from Iraq contacted America !! what does that mean ? That life was ok to them. It might be wrong according to you.

[sarcasm]yes.. of course. they didnt contact us so they loved their lives right? [/sarcasm]do i need to copy and paste more wikipedia for you? maybe i should...

During this campaign, the Iraqi government executed approximately 182,000 Kurds..Human Rights Watch claimed that Iraqi leaders privately admitted to the killing of nearly 250,000 when suppressing the uprising.

You are not good even in that copy paste from wikipedia, because even this paragraph doesnt talk of some request for help from allies/america!!

We will always have these kind of different laws in different countries. Just because its not ok in your country you say that - that country is bad, that country's govt is bad , we should invade them and place a govt which subscribes to or views. ITS BAD on your part to think like that.

what different laws do we have?

for example there are some countries which dont allow women to vote. Go there

Do you think corruption, police lockup torture are not there in any other countries like US, UK etc

they exist to a far smaller extent than they do in any non-western nations..

Even today Women were not allowed to vote in some countries go there and say that govt is bad and ask America to liberate the women folk of that country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have heard that America's next priority is the same

he he he he he he he

i believe its called give and take. wars are too expensive to be waged due to simple generosity.

You are under an illusion that allies have given something to Iraqi's it's only their interest safegaurded. Allies are selfish.



As long as markets are open for consumption US will not have any problem. If you close the market for US (to some extent allie's) products and services theres a problem with everything in that country for example iraq.

[DQ]

Cousin recounts scene of farmhouse massacre

He describes burned, brutalized bodies in the case in which suspects are U.S. soldiers





By RAHEEM SALMAN and J. MICHAEL KENNEDY

Los Angeles Times



BAGHDAD, IRAQ - He was the first to enter the charred farmhouse where the bodies of his relatives lay strewn about the floor, shot and bludgeoned.



And he watched more than three months later as a U.S. Army officer took the two surviving children in his arms, barely able to hold back tears as he told them that the people who had killed their family would be punished.



Abu Firas Janabi paints a horrific picture of what happened the day in March when a family of Iraqi peasants was slain and their house set ablaze, with the prime suspects now American soldiers.



The case, which includes the alleged rape of an Iraqi woman, has caused a firestorm in both the United States and Iraq. And the at least four U.S. soldiers suspected in the attack, including one charged Monday with rape and murder, have become lurid symbols of the American military at its worst. The image has not been helped in recent weeks by the emergence of other accusations that U.S. soldiers had killed Iraqi civilians.



Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki complained Wednesday that immunity from Iraqi prosecution has encouraged atrocities by American troops. On Wednesday, Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, the chief military spokesman in Iraq, defended the troops here, complaining that the "acts of a few outweigh the deeds of many."



Janabi, a cousin of the slain mother, Fakhriya Rasheed, has emerged as a potential witness and has been interviewed by a U.S. investigator.



Janabi and his wife were home March 12 when a neighbor ran to tell him that the farmhouse of his cousin and her husband, Kassim Hamza Rasheed, was on fire and that he could see slain family members inside.



"Never in my mind could I have imagined such a gruesome sight," said Janabi.



He and his wife had to douse some of the flames before they could enter the home.



"Kassim's corpse was in the corner of the room, and his head was smashed into pieces," he said. The 5-year-old daughter, Hadeel, was beside her father, and Janabi said he could see that both of Fakhriya's arms had been broken.



In another room, he found 15-year-old Abeer, naked and burned, with her head smashed in "by a concrete block or a piece of iron."



"We put a piece of cloth over her body. Then I left the house together with my wife."



Also with him were the two young boys in the family, both of whom had been at school when the killings occurred but were at the house when Janabi and his wife arrived.



On Monday, Steven D. Green, 21, a former private with the 502nd Regiment, was charged in Charlotte, N.C., in the case.



-----------Hail Freedom !! A free world is all we want, free of any humanity and human rights, its power self interest and rape and muredr of innocents after all we need to take care of our interests. Hail Freedom--------

[man4u]

we had discussed about an online petetion and now its here



http://www.petitiononline.com/UNO/petition.html



Please do sign the petetion and forward it to your friends.

[mango]

In the above 2 paragraphs of ctrlcnctrlv from wikipedia there is no mention of some people or opposition leaders asking for help from anybody leave alone America. All it says is about Human rights violations. Its foolishness of US to think its the only caretaker of human rights and has least regard for UN. Its a Global Rogue and Terrorist kind of attitude.


Is it not too much to go on your own, allege that there is something wrong happening , attack them, see to it that you are the beneficiary in the end.

I mean when nobody (neither people nor the iraqi govt) asked you to intervene its your foolishness to go there.

[/quote]

glad you know the keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste. the point i was making was that if that many people were killed at the drop of a hat, what group or person in iraq would have the willingness to come out publicly and ask for american support? in fact, i believe the sunnis as well as the kurds asked for american help after the first gulf war. i will post up the evidence as i find it..

btw, what the hell CAN the UN do? it is an impotent organization. you can blame whichever country you want. im pretty sure you blame no one else besides the US for something.. feel free to fill in the reasons.

You say that they have rescued the jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled but they say that

They launched military operations on Iraq because of the presence of WMD's. When they went ahead with that reason it says that were not really interested in rescuing the jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled.
Now that they dint get WMD's there you say that these jews, christians, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled have been rescued. ha ha ha ha ha

uhh.. i dont see your point. arent they safe? and because american troops were sent in for WMDs, regardless of whether the reasons were true or false, these people arent being killed and tortured. but i guess thats irrelevant to you huh?

What shit it has been happening whenever there has been military involvement. It does'nt change when you say " no shit? "

no shit = a sarcastic "no really?"
if its an accepted fact of war, then why is it suddenly and issue now?

You are not good even in that copy paste from wikipedia, because even this paragraph doesnt talk of some request for help from allies/america!!

for example there are some countries which dont allow women to vote. Go there

i think stopping killing and torture takes credence over whether women are allowed to drive..

You are under an illusion that allies have given something to Iraqi's it's only their interest safegaurded. Allies are selfish.

As long as markets are open for consumption US will not have any problem. If you close the market for US (to some extent allie's) products and services theres a problem with everything in that country for example iraq.

uhh.. i believe its called give and take. i already stated that i believe we were there for oil. if it so happens that people are freed from the clutches of a dictator, hey, even better.

[mango]

we had discussed about an online petetion and now its here

http://www.petitiononline.com/UNO/petition.html

Please do sign the petetion and forward it to your friends.

ok.. what does this petition do? is the UN going to say soemthing to the US? i think not.. your efforts, despite the fact that i disagree with them, seem noble. just dont delude yourself by thinking that something will happen because you made a petition that claims to be horrifed at [i]"

Its not totally unacceptable for anybody (citizen of any country in the world) to see that the head of a state (Iraq for now, who knows about tomorrow) being taken in chains and tried like that. Keep him in jail and terrorise the whole nation. "[i]

[man4u]

Pleas go through the link and sign the petition



http://www.petitiononline.com/UNO/petition.html

[man4u]

Pleas go through the link and sign the petition asking UNO to assert itself



http://www.petitiononline.com/UNO/petition.html

[DQ]

"Once I was called to an explosion site. There I saw a four-year-old boy sitting beside his mother’s body, which had

been decapitated by the explosion. He was talking to her, asking her what had happened. He had been taken out

shopping by his mom."



Saad, a young humanitarian worker from Baghdad.





http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/iraq-update-311207