HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
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HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Hindu women are free to do whatever they want like jobs/education and in most cases they are allowed to select their life partner. This is the major difference between your muslim women and hindu women.
- Hema Bindu
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HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
The Indian Hindu media made a big campaign lately out of the Shah Banu case and they blew it out of all proportion. They implied that Islam restricted the freedom of women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim woman.
- Sameer & Omer
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HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
It is remarkable that you did so much research into the \"Skanda Purana\" and \"Manu Smriti\". But let me tell you a fundamental point that you are missing. Hinduism is not a revealed religion. That is, it does not claim that such and such a text is the word of GOD. Bhagavad Gita comes close but even it is not absolute. The wonderful thing about Hinduism is that it does not shun change. True, the Hindu society is ridden with anathemas. Hindu mind set is kind of rigid. But change is not impossible. Contrast this with the other \"revealed\" religions. Quran is absolute. There can be no give or chance to propose amendments to it. If it says that \"Your women are a filth for you (to cultivate) so go to your filth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah,
and know that ye will tone day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, O Muhammad). \" (Chapter 2/verse 223)
OR \"As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the
allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation)\" (Chapter 4/ Verse 15) it is not negotiable. It has to happen, for Quran is the \"Word of God\". It is nobody\'s contention that Hinduism is perfect. But by ruling out change, other religions fail to evolve with the changing condtions of the society. At least, theoretically, such is not the case with Hinduism.
I can quote a lot more from Quran.
\"Men are in charge of women, because Allah bath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for
the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah bath guarded. As for those from whom ye
fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge [1] them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them.
Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.\" (Chapter 4/Verse 34)
\"Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believeing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your
daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto
the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth thus His revelations to mankind that haply
they may remember. \" (Chapter 2/verse 221).
So obviously I have done my research too. And as always, a educated and cool tempered debate is encouraged. Thank you.
and know that ye will tone day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, O Muhammad). \" (Chapter 2/verse 223)
OR \"As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the
allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation)\" (Chapter 4/ Verse 15) it is not negotiable. It has to happen, for Quran is the \"Word of God\". It is nobody\'s contention that Hinduism is perfect. But by ruling out change, other religions fail to evolve with the changing condtions of the society. At least, theoretically, such is not the case with Hinduism.
I can quote a lot more from Quran.
\"Men are in charge of women, because Allah bath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for
the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah bath guarded. As for those from whom ye
fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge [1] them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them.
Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.\" (Chapter 4/Verse 34)
\"Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believeing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your
daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto
the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth thus His revelations to mankind that haply
they may remember. \" (Chapter 2/verse 221).
So obviously I have done my research too. And as always, a educated and cool tempered debate is encouraged. Thank you.
- Raghu
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HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Dr. Lakshmi, a well known gynaecologist and social worker from Delhi, and who herself is a Brahmin (and married to the age of 37), suggests that Brahmin women should come out of their shells and act their own since she claims that their corroded thoughts won\'t save them at all.
Dr. Lakshmi again claims that most of the women who get married after 25 are not virgins. (Most Brahmin women do not get married until they are 30. For this long delay the Brahmin male is responsible for finally getting a SECOND HAND SPOUSE. She challenges that abstention from sexual activity is against the nature of the human physical body. She also says that it is the responsibility of the society to get them married quickly as in other religions.
She says that if you are a Hindu woman you cannot love anyone you like and you cannot marry anyone whom you choose. Your birth sign (stars) should match your mate\'s birth sign. In addition you should meet the unbearable dowry demand.
From the Skanda Purana
The Goddess then entered the palace of the god who bears the moon as his diadem. When the three eyed god saw her he said, \"Damn \'women,\" and she bowed to him and said, \"You have spoken truely, and not falsely. This portion of Nature is senseless; women deserve to be reviled. It is the grace of men which brings release from the ocean of existence\". Then Hara rejoiced and said to her, \"Now you are worthy, and I will give you a son who will bring renown to you who are fair and glorious\". Hara, the abode of various wonders, then made love with the Goddess.
Dr. Lakshmi again claims that most of the women who get married after 25 are not virgins. (Most Brahmin women do not get married until they are 30. For this long delay the Brahmin male is responsible for finally getting a SECOND HAND SPOUSE. She challenges that abstention from sexual activity is against the nature of the human physical body. She also says that it is the responsibility of the society to get them married quickly as in other religions.
She says that if you are a Hindu woman you cannot love anyone you like and you cannot marry anyone whom you choose. Your birth sign (stars) should match your mate\'s birth sign. In addition you should meet the unbearable dowry demand.
From the Skanda Purana
The Goddess then entered the palace of the god who bears the moon as his diadem. When the three eyed god saw her he said, \"Damn \'women,\" and she bowed to him and said, \"You have spoken truely, and not falsely. This portion of Nature is senseless; women deserve to be reviled. It is the grace of men which brings release from the ocean of existence\". Then Hara rejoiced and said to her, \"Now you are worthy, and I will give you a son who will bring renown to you who are fair and glorious\". Hara, the abode of various wonders, then made love with the Goddess.
- DR. LAKSHMFS ADVICE TO BRAHMIN WOMEN
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
The living revolutionary Mr. Rajashekar questions what right have the Hindus to criticise the Muslims? Have you ever heard of a Muslim burning his wife? Every day we read in the paper about dowry deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women. The Brahmin press has brainwashed all of us saying that Muslims do not give freedom to their women. He again questions, \"Do the Hindus respect their women?\" You be the judge!
- Omer
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HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Again Bindu, chill out dont get angry you seem to very short tempered person. Here are some facts about muslim women
THE MUSLIM WOMAN
The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters, including divorce.
She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.
She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her, her consent has to be taken.
The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the other way round as is practised by some ignorant Muslims).
A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the responsibility of the Muslim society.
Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping into society.
A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.
THE MUSLIM WOMAN
The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters, including divorce.
She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.
She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her, her consent has to be taken.
The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the other way round as is practised by some ignorant Muslims).
A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the responsibility of the Muslim society.
Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping into society.
A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.
- Sameer
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HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Sameer, how about your muslim women????? you are freely allowing them to do whatever they want? you impose burka on them and tramatise them with your religion
- Hema Bindu
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
HINDU WOMAN := 1)The Hindu woman has no right to divorce her husband.
2)She has no property or inheritance rights.
3)Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.
4)The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
5)If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead husband). Since today\'s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other \"holy\" ways (see below).
6)She cannot remarry.
7)The widow is considered to be a curse and.must not be seen in public. She cannot wear jewellery or colourful clothes. (She should not even take part in her children\'s marriage!)
8)Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
2)She has no property or inheritance rights.
3)Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.
4)The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
5)If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead husband). Since today\'s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other \"holy\" ways (see below).
6)She cannot remarry.
7)The widow is considered to be a curse and.must not be seen in public. She cannot wear jewellery or colourful clothes. (She should not even take part in her children\'s marriage!)
8)Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
- Sameer
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
bindu you are wrong....
Here are some facts i am putting together for your view.
WOMEN IN HINDUISM
Inequity and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion. Manu Smriti says:
\" Never trust a woman.
Never sit alone with a woman even if it may be your mother, she may tempt you.
Do not sit alone with your daughter, she may tempt you.
Do not sit alone with your sister, she may tempt you.
Again the same Manu Smriti continues:
\"Na stree swadantriya marhathi\".
\"No liberty for women in society\".
Here are some facts i am putting together for your view.
WOMEN IN HINDUISM
Inequity and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion. Manu Smriti says:
\" Never trust a woman.
Never sit alone with a woman even if it may be your mother, she may tempt you.
Do not sit alone with your daughter, she may tempt you.
Do not sit alone with your sister, she may tempt you.
Again the same Manu Smriti continues:
\"Na stree swadantriya marhathi\".
\"No liberty for women in society\".
- Sameer
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Islam is a merciful religion on both the men and the women. Islam sees the high value of the woman’s honor and respects it by ordering the court to bring at least 4 reliable witness against the her or else the case would be dropped. Allah Almighty loves us so much that he accepts our repentance and forgives us.
- Sara
- Guest
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In 4:15 we see the Noble Quran makes it almost impossible to prove a woman guilty of lewdness, because the court needs at least four reliable witnesses to prove that she actually committed a sin by having illegal sex. The reason for that is because Islam recognizes the woman’s honor as something very serious and holy, and it must not be tampered with or joked with. The woman is innocent until 4 witnesses are presented to prove that she is guilty of sin. Islam takes any charge against women very seriously and doesn\'t forgive those who lie about it or even don\'t look 100% truthful about it; \"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 24:4)\"
In 4:16 above, we see that the Noble Quran orders the punishment of those men who are guilty of lewdness and orders the Muslims to not harass them after the punishment if they repent. If the two men are witnessed by one man only or had been caught, then they get punished. Back then 1400 years ago, they would get flogged 40 to 100 stripes depending on what they had been caught on.
Let us look at the following Saying from Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:
In 4:16 above, we see that the Noble Quran orders the punishment of those men who are guilty of lewdness and orders the Muslims to not harass them after the punishment if they repent. If the two men are witnessed by one man only or had been caught, then they get punished. Back then 1400 years ago, they would get flogged 40 to 100 stripes depending on what they had been caught on.
Let us look at the following Saying from Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:
- Sara
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
The following verses are about Gays and Lesbians:
check the message posted by brother sameer. Thanks
check the message posted by brother sameer. Thanks
- israr
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Sure as hell, Islam is a merciful religion. But only to Muslims. As for non-muslims, well, they need to be killed. Here comes again.
\"When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger\" (Chapter 8/ Verse 12)
\"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and
prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.\" (Chapter 9/ verse 5). So much for mercy.
\"When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger\" (Chapter 8/ Verse 12)
\"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and
prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.\" (Chapter 9/ verse 5). So much for mercy.
- Raghu
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
What good has Hinduism done for India?
Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism - Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.
To these gods move, think or speak? Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?
Don\'t you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?
Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins and uppercast (5%)?
Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans via the Khyber Pass?
Can a person convert and become a Brahmin or uppercast?
What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and the Aryans of Germany (Hitler\'s Nazis)?
Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika? (Look at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).
Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river Ganges on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it Rama who couldn\'t see through Sukrievan\'s disguise and who murdered another god? Or could it be Krishna, the \"playboy god\"?
Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism - Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.
To these gods move, think or speak? Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?
Don\'t you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?
Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins and uppercast (5%)?
Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans via the Khyber Pass?
Can a person convert and become a Brahmin or uppercast?
What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and the Aryans of Germany (Hitler\'s Nazis)?
Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika? (Look at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).
Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river Ganges on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it Rama who couldn\'t see through Sukrievan\'s disguise and who murdered another god? Or could it be Krishna, the \"playboy god\"?
- Thomas
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Well, the point is what shall be done with characterless men. Obviously Quran permits a man to have many concubines. So don\'t you think it is lopsided in terms of gender. Also in chapter4/verse 34 that I quoted above, there is no question of infidelity or prostitution. It talks about rebellion. Which means, if a woman does not agree with the man, then she shall be scourged, i.e. whipped. See, that is the problem with you apologists. You would rather die, than accept that, there is a chance, maybe 1 in a million, that the Quran is wrong in some places. It is exactly this opposition to change that I was pointing out in the earlier post.
- Raghu
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As I said, in the laws of Islam, the flogging would be between 40 to 100 stripes depending on what type or degree of sexual crime the two gay men have committed. The punishment of 100 stripes law is agreed upon to be applied to the gay men in the case of \"sexual intercourse\". Allah Almighty said:
\"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, Noble Verse 24:2)\"
Now in case of Noble Verse 4:15, when the woman is proven guilty in 4:15, then her punishment is to stay at her husband’s house. Her husband must not divorce her at first and must work it out with her \"confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. (4:15)\" Anti-Islamics claim that \"confine them to houses until death do claim them\" means that husbands must imprison the wives in the houses until they die. Well this is a false and bogus claim, because (1) In Arabic, the word which was wrongly translated as \"Confine\" is \"Fa-Amsikuhunna\" which means keep them does not mean at all to imprison them. The word \"Confine them\" in Arabic is \"Fa-Asjinohunna\" or \"Fa-Ahbisohunna\". The word \"Fa-Amsikuhunna\" which was used in the Noble Verse 4:15 only means \"keep them\" and not imprison them.
(2) The second part of the sentence \"…or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. (4:15)\" Means in Arabic \"Aou yaj-aala Allah lahunna sabeela\" which means that if they repent then Allah Almighty will let them go on their ways by allowing the men to either divorce them or keep them as their wives. This is something that both spouses have to workout and decide on. If the woman was not married, then this verse applies to the parents or the guardians.
Finally, (3) In (4:17) above we see that Allah Almighty accepts the repentance of those who do evil \"Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance…(4:17)\", which totally disproves the Anti-Islamic point about imprisoning the women in their houses until they die, because Allah Almighty forgives those (men and women) who repent and He accepts their repentance.
\"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, Noble Verse 24:2)\"
Now in case of Noble Verse 4:15, when the woman is proven guilty in 4:15, then her punishment is to stay at her husband’s house. Her husband must not divorce her at first and must work it out with her \"confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. (4:15)\" Anti-Islamics claim that \"confine them to houses until death do claim them\" means that husbands must imprison the wives in the houses until they die. Well this is a false and bogus claim, because (1) In Arabic, the word which was wrongly translated as \"Confine\" is \"Fa-Amsikuhunna\" which means keep them does not mean at all to imprison them. The word \"Confine them\" in Arabic is \"Fa-Asjinohunna\" or \"Fa-Ahbisohunna\". The word \"Fa-Amsikuhunna\" which was used in the Noble Verse 4:15 only means \"keep them\" and not imprison them.
(2) The second part of the sentence \"…or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. (4:15)\" Means in Arabic \"Aou yaj-aala Allah lahunna sabeela\" which means that if they repent then Allah Almighty will let them go on their ways by allowing the men to either divorce them or keep them as their wives. This is something that both spouses have to workout and decide on. If the woman was not married, then this verse applies to the parents or the guardians.
Finally, (3) In (4:17) above we see that Allah Almighty accepts the repentance of those who do evil \"Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance…(4:17)\", which totally disproves the Anti-Islamic point about imprisoning the women in their houses until they die, because Allah Almighty forgives those (men and women) who repent and He accepts their repentance.
- Sara
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Dear Israr,
I feel bad that inspite of 50+ years of independence, India is still rotting in poverty, illiteracy etc. But this hardly is a phenomenon specific to Muslim community. I grew up in a place in Hyderabad where there was a reasonable mix of Muslims and Hindus. I think the opportunities for Muslims are not bad at all at least in Hyderabad. There are 2 minority engg colleges (at least it was the case when I was in Hyd in 1995), Muffakam Jha college and Deccan college. A Muslim getting around 10000 rank in EAMCET could get into the engg college whereas a Hindu should get somewhere like 1500-2000 rank for the same branch. Now, most of the friends I had from then are in USA and very well settled. What I am trying to say is that there are people who did well and the Hindus cannot be blamed if Muslims are not doing well. I am glad that you agree with me on the Logic. The bottomline is can we coexist without offending each other, in a mutually beneficial way. I guess we can. What do you think. A respect for the others rights and ideas is a must. I hate fanatics who put all logic behind and blindly follow a faith.
I feel bad that inspite of 50+ years of independence, India is still rotting in poverty, illiteracy etc. But this hardly is a phenomenon specific to Muslim community. I grew up in a place in Hyderabad where there was a reasonable mix of Muslims and Hindus. I think the opportunities for Muslims are not bad at all at least in Hyderabad. There are 2 minority engg colleges (at least it was the case when I was in Hyd in 1995), Muffakam Jha college and Deccan college. A Muslim getting around 10000 rank in EAMCET could get into the engg college whereas a Hindu should get somewhere like 1500-2000 rank for the same branch. Now, most of the friends I had from then are in USA and very well settled. What I am trying to say is that there are people who did well and the Hindus cannot be blamed if Muslims are not doing well. I am glad that you agree with me on the Logic. The bottomline is can we coexist without offending each other, in a mutually beneficial way. I guess we can. What do you think. A respect for the others rights and ideas is a must. I hate fanatics who put all logic behind and blindly follow a faith.
- Raghu
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Raghu you are wrong again,Let us look at Ayat (verses) 4:15-18 \"(15). If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. (16). If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and mend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. (17). Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy:
- israr
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My reply to Raghu\'s reference to Quaranic verse from Chapter 2/223:This Verse was clarified in details through the Sayings (Hadiths) of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him. Let us look at some of them:Narrated Jabir: Jews used to say: \'If one has sexual intercourse with his wife from the back [The vagina as clearly shown below], then she will deliver a squint-eyed child.\' So this Verse was revealed:-- \'Your wives are a tilth unto you; so go to your tilth when or how you will.\' (2.223) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur\'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (peace be upon him)), Number 51)\"
\"Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) declared that the Jews used to say: When a man has intercourse with his wife through the vagina but being on her back. the child will have squint, so the verse came down:\" Your wives are your tilth; go then unto your tilth as you may desire\" (ii. 223) (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 3363)\"
\"Jabir (b. Abdullah) (Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Jews used to say that when one comes to one\'s wife through the vagina, but being on her back, and she becomes pregnant, the child has a squint. So the verse came down:\' Your wives are your ti\'Ith; go then unto your tilth, as you may desire.\' (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 3364)\"
\"This hadith has been reported on the authority of Jabir through another chain of transmitters, but in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Zuhri there is an addition (of these words): \'If he likes he may (have intercourse) being on the back or in front of her, but it should be through one opening (vagina).\' (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 3365)\"
\"Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: Ibn Umar misunderstood (the Qur\'anic verse, \"So come to your tilth however you will\")--may Allah forgive him. The fact is that this clan of the Ansar, who were idolaters, lived in the company of the Jews who were the people of the Book. They (the Ansar) accepted their superiority over themselves in respect of knowledge, and they followed most of their actions. The people of the Book (i.e. the Jews) used to have intercourse with their women on one side alone (i.e. lying on their backs). This was the most concealing position for (the vagina of) the women. This clan of the Ansar adopted this practice from them. But this tribe of the Quraysh used to uncover their women completely, and seek pleasure with them from in front and behind and laying them on their backs.
When the muhajirun (the immigrants) came to Medina, a man married a woman of the Ansar. He began to do the same kind of action with her, but she disliked it, and said to him: We were approached on one side (i.e. lying on the back); do it so, otherwise keep away from me. This matter of theirs spread widely, and it reached the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur\'anic verse: \'Your wives are a tilth to you, so come to your tilth however you will,\' i.e. from in front, from behind or lying on the back. But this verse meant the place of the delivery of the child, i.e. the vagina. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2159)\"
\"Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) declared that the Jews used to say: When a man has intercourse with his wife through the vagina but being on her back. the child will have squint, so the verse came down:\" Your wives are your tilth; go then unto your tilth as you may desire\" (ii. 223) (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 3363)\"
\"Jabir (b. Abdullah) (Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Jews used to say that when one comes to one\'s wife through the vagina, but being on her back, and she becomes pregnant, the child has a squint. So the verse came down:\' Your wives are your ti\'Ith; go then unto your tilth, as you may desire.\' (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 3364)\"
\"This hadith has been reported on the authority of Jabir through another chain of transmitters, but in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Zuhri there is an addition (of these words): \'If he likes he may (have intercourse) being on the back or in front of her, but it should be through one opening (vagina).\' (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 3365)\"
\"Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: Ibn Umar misunderstood (the Qur\'anic verse, \"So come to your tilth however you will\")--may Allah forgive him. The fact is that this clan of the Ansar, who were idolaters, lived in the company of the Jews who were the people of the Book. They (the Ansar) accepted their superiority over themselves in respect of knowledge, and they followed most of their actions. The people of the Book (i.e. the Jews) used to have intercourse with their women on one side alone (i.e. lying on their backs). This was the most concealing position for (the vagina of) the women. This clan of the Ansar adopted this practice from them. But this tribe of the Quraysh used to uncover their women completely, and seek pleasure with them from in front and behind and laying them on their backs.
When the muhajirun (the immigrants) came to Medina, a man married a woman of the Ansar. He began to do the same kind of action with her, but she disliked it, and said to him: We were approached on one side (i.e. lying on the back); do it so, otherwise keep away from me. This matter of theirs spread widely, and it reached the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur\'anic verse: \'Your wives are a tilth to you, so come to your tilth however you will,\' i.e. from in front, from behind or lying on the back. But this verse meant the place of the delivery of the child, i.e. the vagina. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2159)\"
- Sameer
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One more quick reference i got from one of our brother. please take a look at it Mr.Raghu.Cursed are those who perform anal sex:
The following was sent to me by brother Waseem Sakka; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Regarding your page \"Is anal sex really allowed between husband and wife?\" There\'s a couple more hadeeths (Sayings of our Prophet) you can use that are really definitive:
\"Cursed is the one who approaches his wife in her rectum\" (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 2/479; see also Saheeh al-Jaami\', 5865).
and:
\"The one who has intercourse with a menstruating woman, or with a woman in her rectum, or who goes to a fortune-teller, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.\" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 1/243; see also Saheeh al-Jaami\', 5918).
The following was sent to me by brother Waseem Sakka; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Regarding your page \"Is anal sex really allowed between husband and wife?\" There\'s a couple more hadeeths (Sayings of our Prophet) you can use that are really definitive:
\"Cursed is the one who approaches his wife in her rectum\" (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 2/479; see also Saheeh al-Jaami\', 5865).
and:
\"The one who has intercourse with a menstruating woman, or with a woman in her rectum, or who goes to a fortune-teller, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.\" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 1/243; see also Saheeh al-Jaami\', 5918).
- Sameer
- Guest
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From the Skanda Purana
The Goddess then entered the palace of the god who bears the moon as his diadem. When the three eyed god saw her he said, \"Damn \'women,\" and she bowed to him and said, \"You have spoken truely, and not falsely. This portion of Nature is nonseless; women deserve to be reviled. It is the grace of men which brings release from the ocean of existence\". Then Hara rejoiced and said to her, \"Now you are worthy, and I will give you a son who will bring renown to you who are fair and glorious\". Hara, the abode of various wonders, then made love with the Goddess.
The Goddess then entered the palace of the god who bears the moon as his diadem. When the three eyed god saw her he said, \"Damn \'women,\" and she bowed to him and said, \"You have spoken truely, and not falsely. This portion of Nature is nonseless; women deserve to be reviled. It is the grace of men which brings release from the ocean of existence\". Then Hara rejoiced and said to her, \"Now you are worthy, and I will give you a son who will bring renown to you who are fair and glorious\". Hara, the abode of various wonders, then made love with the Goddess.
- Akram Jaah
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Since you are good at changing the topic very well, i would like to point you that the number you gave are totally wrong and you dont have any source. I myself been the source for this news i was a student of MJ/ i got emacet in 7000 i didnt get a seate untill i give extra donation. where as hindus were above 10000 they were easily accepted because the systematic balance hindu govt is trying to put in. ha! btw, here is the book you should read \"THE GITA AS IT WAS\" is a shocking book which reveals the Brahmin fabrication and forgery of the Gita. Mr Phulgenda Sinha, a Sanskrit scholar from Bihar, now settled in the U.S., has come out with the original Gita which, he says, the Brahmin have interpolated to obscure its original message. The author also gives the original text in Sanskrit and English to prove his claim. The book is available from: Open Court, La Salle, Illinois -61301, U.S.A. Price US$ 15.95. get that one its pretty cheap.
- israr
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Ever heard of separation of religion and state? Religion is a personal thing. If it takes the power of the state, then there will be Afghanistans/Saudi Arabias all over the world. More so, a religion gives prescriptions for personal enlightenment/emancipation. So it has to undergo changes with time. I do not know of another religion on the planet that preaches tolerance as much as Hinduism does. It is not for nothing that a minority of Muslims are able to coexist peacefully in India. The fate of minorities in Bangladesh, Pakistan and other countries is too well known. As for Aryans coming thru khyber pass, they might as well have come thru the crack of my ass. The Aryan invasion theory is a pack of lies and has been long since refuted. It is sad that you are ignorant of it. Here is the link
\"http://www.geocities.com/dipalsarvesh/indexAryan.html\". I do agree with you in that for too long the Brahmins have hijacked the society and played really unfair. But the societal problems foisted by Brahmins have nothing to do with Hinduism. I am anti casteist, a true secularist. Despite my pronouncements, I would be willing to lay down my life before I would curtail your freedom of expression. It is time that we put our petty differences behind us and start thinking rationally. Only a person who is not very confident of his logical abilities relies on prescriptions given by others. I for one want to analyze everything, hence I have trouble with most religions (Hinduism included). Take the good leave the bad, act logically. Cheers.
\"http://www.geocities.com/dipalsarvesh/indexAryan.html\". I do agree with you in that for too long the Brahmins have hijacked the society and played really unfair. But the societal problems foisted by Brahmins have nothing to do with Hinduism. I am anti casteist, a true secularist. Despite my pronouncements, I would be willing to lay down my life before I would curtail your freedom of expression. It is time that we put our petty differences behind us and start thinking rationally. Only a person who is not very confident of his logical abilities relies on prescriptions given by others. I for one want to analyze everything, hence I have trouble with most religions (Hinduism included). Take the good leave the bad, act logically. Cheers.
- Raghu
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Thanks to the suggestion of \"The Bhagavad Gita As It Was\". Here is something I found. \"http://www.winged-horse.com/magus/gita.htm\" (Isnt internet a wonderful tool and a myth buster. Kudos to the Knowledge based society). Anyway, it only reinforces my original contention that Hinduism evolves and is not absolute.
And coming to the question of your ot getting admission inspite of getting 7000 rank where as reserved categories could get admissions with worse performance than yours, I believe it is you who is changing the topic. Think of all those Hindus who get better ranks than you did could not get admission inspite of being willing to pay donations. Bottomline is India is still not a meritocratic society completely. I wish it was. Looks like where you are going with your argument is that Muslims need to get the privilege of reverse discrimination as well. I dont know if I agree with that.
And coming to the question of your ot getting admission inspite of getting 7000 rank where as reserved categories could get admissions with worse performance than yours, I believe it is you who is changing the topic. Think of all those Hindus who get better ranks than you did could not get admission inspite of being willing to pay donations. Bottomline is India is still not a meritocratic society completely. I wish it was. Looks like where you are going with your argument is that Muslims need to get the privilege of reverse discrimination as well. I dont know if I agree with that.
- Raghu
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