What good has Hinduism done for India?
Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism - Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.
To these gods move, think or speak? Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?
Don\'t you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?
Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins and uppercast (5%)?
Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans via the Khyber Pass?
Can a person convert and become a Brahmin or uppercast?
What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and the Aryans of Germany (Hitler\'s Nazis)?
Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika? (Look at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).
Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river Ganges on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it Rama who couldn\'t see through Sukrievan\'s disguise and who murdered another god? Or could it be Krishna, the \"playboy god\"?
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
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HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Sure as hell, Islam is a merciful religion. But only to Muslims. As for non-muslims, well, they need to be killed. Here comes again.
\"When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger\" (Chapter 8/ Verse 12)
\"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and
prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.\" (Chapter 9/ verse 5). So much for mercy.
\"When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger\" (Chapter 8/ Verse 12)
\"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and
prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.\" (Chapter 9/ verse 5). So much for mercy.
- Raghu
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Well, the point is what shall be done with characterless men. Obviously Quran permits a man to have many concubines. So don\'t you think it is lopsided in terms of gender. Also in chapter4/verse 34 that I quoted above, there is no question of infidelity or prostitution. It talks about rebellion. Which means, if a woman does not agree with the man, then she shall be scourged, i.e. whipped. See, that is the problem with you apologists. You would rather die, than accept that, there is a chance, maybe 1 in a million, that the Quran is wrong in some places. It is exactly this opposition to change that I was pointing out in the earlier post.
- Raghu
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Islam is a merciful religion on both the men and the women. Islam sees the high value of the woman’s honor and respects it by ordering the court to bring at least 4 reliable witness against the her or else the case would be dropped. Allah Almighty loves us so much that he accepts our repentance and forgives us.
- Sara
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
I don\'t see your point in picking those quranic phrases and pasting it here? everything it said in those phrases is absolutely right. There is no place for Prostitutes and characterless women in our religion who would betray their men. Is there anything like that in your religion or you guys allow such stuff? by means of no absolute?
do you allow your wife to cheat on you, when you trust her from soul. thanks
do you allow your wife to cheat on you, when you trust her from soul. thanks
- Israr
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Raghu, Hema Bindu, Vani, Akram Jaah, Sameer and Omer,
I appreciate you all guys for your time and sincerety. Can we guys discuss someother topic which is really interesting. There is no Muslim nor Hindu. This all is created by human beings like us. If we all are brainly we will show those people who are watching from hell or heaven that we can do something better than the guys who have created such idiotic things. The younger generation think it is great if we hurt ones sentiment. One might desire to drink Coke and the other might want to have Pepsi. It\'s ones discretion. You cannot force one to do the things your way when he doesn\'t want to. If a person wants to become great (atleast intends to) then start away doing good to others, and not hurt each other. These bulleting boards are to discuss topics which can be useful to others. Discuss such topics where you know something which you donot know and vice versa. You guys should feel pround in distributing your knowledge and not in writing such blah blah and blah. I might sound harsh. Sorry for that.
Your friendly
Kumar.
I appreciate you all guys for your time and sincerety. Can we guys discuss someother topic which is really interesting. There is no Muslim nor Hindu. This all is created by human beings like us. If we all are brainly we will show those people who are watching from hell or heaven that we can do something better than the guys who have created such idiotic things. The younger generation think it is great if we hurt ones sentiment. One might desire to drink Coke and the other might want to have Pepsi. It\'s ones discretion. You cannot force one to do the things your way when he doesn\'t want to. If a person wants to become great (atleast intends to) then start away doing good to others, and not hurt each other. These bulleting boards are to discuss topics which can be useful to others. Discuss such topics where you know something which you donot know and vice versa. You guys should feel pround in distributing your knowledge and not in writing such blah blah and blah. I might sound harsh. Sorry for that.
Your friendly
Kumar.
- Kumar
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Oh yeah, hinduism sure teaches tolarence tolerance...Vedas have paved the way for the bonded Labour System in India. After 40 years of independence, India still can\'t save the low caste Shudras from this bonded labour. The Times of India reported on 10th May 1987 that Swami Agnivesh, President of the Bonded Labour Liberation Front, said that more than 20,000 people, mostly Harijans and Adivasis, were still being exploited and were leading the lives of slaves in the West Champaran and Gopalganj districts of North Bihar. This he proved to the Government with unassailable evidence. We are living in the 20th century where science and technology have advanced unprecedently and yet, in some parts of India, even today a low caste Hindu cannot pass along a street from one end to the other without first having his chappals removed and placed on his head. Hotels and other eating places also maintain separate cutlery for low caste Hindus.
The First Indian Governor General and Ex-Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu Mr. Rajagopalachari, alias Rajaji, advocated that people should pass down through generations the professions of their father and forefathers in order to reduce unemployment. This suggestion was highly praised by many newspapers owned by Brahmins/ RSS. The reasoning behind this advocacy was to keep the low castes tied down to their menial jobs while the Brahmins maintained their high positions.
Why are the so called low caste Hindus financially destitute? Why is India economically backward? It is because the Brahmins do not allow others to progress. They hold high offices in government, control the news media, educational system, etc. How could others possibly rise up, and break free of the caste system bondage? Needless to say, with all the facilities at their disposal they produce brilliant scientists, doctors etc. Assuredly even the low caste Hindus could do this if they were provided with the same facilities.
The First Indian Governor General and Ex-Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu Mr. Rajagopalachari, alias Rajaji, advocated that people should pass down through generations the professions of their father and forefathers in order to reduce unemployment. This suggestion was highly praised by many newspapers owned by Brahmins/ RSS. The reasoning behind this advocacy was to keep the low castes tied down to their menial jobs while the Brahmins maintained their high positions.
Why are the so called low caste Hindus financially destitute? Why is India economically backward? It is because the Brahmins do not allow others to progress. They hold high offices in government, control the news media, educational system, etc. How could others possibly rise up, and break free of the caste system bondage? Needless to say, with all the facilities at their disposal they produce brilliant scientists, doctors etc. Assuredly even the low caste Hindus could do this if they were provided with the same facilities.
- Rabri
- Guest
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2.2.2 Death Penalty
The death penalty was prescribed for Aryan women guilty of infidelity. The Manu Smrti, the most authoritative Indo-Aryan law-book, states
\"When a woman, proud of her relations [or abilities] deceives her husband ( with another man), then the king should [ensure that] she be torn apart by dogs in place much frequented by people\"[Manu Smrti 8:371] \"And the evil man should be burnt in a bed of red-hot iron\"[Manu Smrti 8:371-2]
VIII.371. \"If a wife, proud of the greatness of her relatives or (her own) excellence, violates the duty which she owes to her lord, the king shall cause her to be devoured by dogs in a place frequented by many. VIII.372. Let him cause the male offender to be burnt on a red-hot iron bed; they shall put logs under it, (until) the sinner is burned (to death).\"[Manu Smrti Buhler VIII 371-372]
That this custom was prevalent in the 9the century is confirmed by Arab reports. Merchant Sulaiman, an Arab traveller of the 9th century states that \"If any man in the Indies runs away with a wife and abuses her body they kill both him and the woman, unless it be proved that she was forced, then the man only is punished with death; but if the woman consented to the evil deed, they are punished with death, both one and the other.\"[Arab p.56]
Ram, the ideal husband, showed little regard to female life. Ram killed Tataka, a \"Rakshi\"[Alld Chmbrs 1048].
Infidelity to husband was considered a grave sin and it was believed that such women went to Aksaya hell [Br.P. 87.61 in Sheth 98]. The husband had the power to curse the wife who was disloyal to him. Thus the sage Gautama cursed his wife Ahalya for sleeping with Indra though through no fault of her own. [Sheth 99] (In the Kautilyan period) if a woman was found guilty of a carnal crime her generative organs were cut off and she was ultimately sentenced to death [Arth.IV.13 in Jain p.164], although it is not clear whether this was only for intercourse with slaves. Not only that, but adultery is defined as the simple touching of clothes and even conversing with men:
VIII. 356. He who addresses the wife of another man at a Tirtha, outside the village, in a forest, or at the confluence of rivers, suffer (the punishment for) adulterous acts (samgrahana).
VIII. 357. Offering presents (to a woman), romping (with her), touching her ornaments and dress, sitting with her on a bed, all (these acts) are considered adulterous acts (samgrahana).
VIII. 358. If one touches a woman in a place (which ought) not (to be touched) or allows (oneself to be touched in such a spot), all (such acts done) with mutual consent are declared (to be) adulterous (samgrahana). [Manu VIII.356-358]
The death penalty was prescribed for Aryan women guilty of infidelity. The Manu Smrti, the most authoritative Indo-Aryan law-book, states
\"When a woman, proud of her relations [or abilities] deceives her husband ( with another man), then the king should [ensure that] she be torn apart by dogs in place much frequented by people\"[Manu Smrti 8:371] \"And the evil man should be burnt in a bed of red-hot iron\"[Manu Smrti 8:371-2]
VIII.371. \"If a wife, proud of the greatness of her relatives or (her own) excellence, violates the duty which she owes to her lord, the king shall cause her to be devoured by dogs in a place frequented by many. VIII.372. Let him cause the male offender to be burnt on a red-hot iron bed; they shall put logs under it, (until) the sinner is burned (to death).\"[Manu Smrti Buhler VIII 371-372]
That this custom was prevalent in the 9the century is confirmed by Arab reports. Merchant Sulaiman, an Arab traveller of the 9th century states that \"If any man in the Indies runs away with a wife and abuses her body they kill both him and the woman, unless it be proved that she was forced, then the man only is punished with death; but if the woman consented to the evil deed, they are punished with death, both one and the other.\"[Arab p.56]
Ram, the ideal husband, showed little regard to female life. Ram killed Tataka, a \"Rakshi\"[Alld Chmbrs 1048].
Infidelity to husband was considered a grave sin and it was believed that such women went to Aksaya hell [Br.P. 87.61 in Sheth 98]. The husband had the power to curse the wife who was disloyal to him. Thus the sage Gautama cursed his wife Ahalya for sleeping with Indra though through no fault of her own. [Sheth 99] (In the Kautilyan period) if a woman was found guilty of a carnal crime her generative organs were cut off and she was ultimately sentenced to death [Arth.IV.13 in Jain p.164], although it is not clear whether this was only for intercourse with slaves. Not only that, but adultery is defined as the simple touching of clothes and even conversing with men:
VIII. 356. He who addresses the wife of another man at a Tirtha, outside the village, in a forest, or at the confluence of rivers, suffer (the punishment for) adulterous acts (samgrahana).
VIII. 357. Offering presents (to a woman), romping (with her), touching her ornaments and dress, sitting with her on a bed, all (these acts) are considered adulterous acts (samgrahana).
VIII. 358. If one touches a woman in a place (which ought) not (to be touched) or allows (oneself to be touched in such a spot), all (such acts done) with mutual consent are declared (to be) adulterous (samgrahana). [Manu VIII.356-358]
- Sara
- Guest
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2.1.3 Jauhar - Variant of Sati
Jauhar refers to the practice of the mass burning of all the wives and daughters in an entire town/district to prevent them from falling into the hands of the enemies. Often the husbands forced their unwilling spouses, sometimes the women practiced it themselves, encouraged by the elders. It is merely a variant of Sati, since it occurred in anticipation of the women’s widowhood. See the section of Sati for details by clicking here.
2.1.4 Witch-Burning
The burning of witches during the Vedic Dark Ages of Indian History ( 1500 BC - 500 BC) and the later Puranic Dark Ages ( 100 AD-1000 AD) makes the European Medieval ecclesiastical witch-hunts pale in comparison.
2.1.5 Widow-Burning (Sati)
See section 3.1
2.2 PUNISHMENT OF WOMEN
The wife could suffer seriously cruel punishment for very minor offences.
2.2.1 Amputation of Ears and Noses
Aryan husbands cut off the ears and nose of their wives if they left the house without their prior permission. The Pancatantra mentions one such story [Pancatantra p.54, I.7th story \"The Weaver’s Wife\"]. The weaver cut off his wife’s nose because she did not respond and he considered her unfaithful. (actually he cut off the barber’s wife’s nose who was there instead.) The Ramayana and Lord Rama practiced the cutting off of womens’ noses for minor offences, thereby providing divine sanction for the custom. Shurpanakha was a Dravidian lady ( referred to as Rakshis or female demons by the Aryans) who fell in love with Rama. She proposed to him, but he directed her to his brother Laxman. He cut off her ears and nose for this crime, and Ram condoned this act. [Alld Chmbrs 1036]
Jauhar refers to the practice of the mass burning of all the wives and daughters in an entire town/district to prevent them from falling into the hands of the enemies. Often the husbands forced their unwilling spouses, sometimes the women practiced it themselves, encouraged by the elders. It is merely a variant of Sati, since it occurred in anticipation of the women’s widowhood. See the section of Sati for details by clicking here.
2.1.4 Witch-Burning
The burning of witches during the Vedic Dark Ages of Indian History ( 1500 BC - 500 BC) and the later Puranic Dark Ages ( 100 AD-1000 AD) makes the European Medieval ecclesiastical witch-hunts pale in comparison.
2.1.5 Widow-Burning (Sati)
See section 3.1
2.2 PUNISHMENT OF WOMEN
The wife could suffer seriously cruel punishment for very minor offences.
2.2.1 Amputation of Ears and Noses
Aryan husbands cut off the ears and nose of their wives if they left the house without their prior permission. The Pancatantra mentions one such story [Pancatantra p.54, I.7th story \"The Weaver’s Wife\"]. The weaver cut off his wife’s nose because she did not respond and he considered her unfaithful. (actually he cut off the barber’s wife’s nose who was there instead.) The Ramayana and Lord Rama practiced the cutting off of womens’ noses for minor offences, thereby providing divine sanction for the custom. Shurpanakha was a Dravidian lady ( referred to as Rakshis or female demons by the Aryans) who fell in love with Rama. She proposed to him, but he directed her to his brother Laxman. He cut off her ears and nose for this crime, and Ram condoned this act. [Alld Chmbrs 1036]
- Sara
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
It is a shame that an attack against Islam is being waged by Hindus when for millenniums, Hinduism is the most oppressive system on record in its treatment of women. From conception to death, woman had to suffer in uncountable ways (details after the basic section) :
Child Marriage - Girls are to be married when 5 years old !
Dowry - Vedas prescribe this pracitice
Bride-Burning - if the dowry is insufficient
No Property
Mass Wife-Burning (Jauhar) - Often 100s are burnt at a time.
Widow-Burning (Sati) - Sanctioned by the Vedas, Puranas, practiced by Krishna’s wives, it still continues.
Child Marriage - Girls are to be married when 5 years old !
Dowry - Vedas prescribe this pracitice
Bride-Burning - if the dowry is insufficient
No Property
Mass Wife-Burning (Jauhar) - Often 100s are burnt at a time.
Widow-Burning (Sati) - Sanctioned by the Vedas, Puranas, practiced by Krishna’s wives, it still continues.
- Sara
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Raghu finally Internet has open lot of eyes about hindusim as you said its a great channel, I was able to fetch some info about hinduism over the net .... some more info on tolerence in hinduism.PUNISHMENT FOR LOW CASTE HINDUS
Apastambha Dharma Sutra III, 10-26, says:
The tongue of a Shudra, who spoke evil about a BRAHMIN should be cut off A Shudra who dared to assume a position of equality with the first three castes was to be flogged. If a Shudra overheard a recitation of the Vedas, molten tin was to be poured into his ears; if he repeated the Vedas his tongue should be cut and if he remembered Vedic hymns, his body was to be torn into pieces.
MANU, 167-272 says:
If a Shudra arrogantly teaches Brahmins Dharma, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and ears.
Again, MANU, 167-272 says:
Let the king never slay even a Brahmin though he may have committed all possible crimes.
With all references to Vedas and Puranas, it would be appropriate to question: \"How fair is the system of administrating justice?\" Well, according to these Holy Books if a Brahmin commits a sin, he is forgiven, but on the contrary if a low caste Hindu commits a sin, he has to feed twenty Brahmins in order to expiate or erase his sin. Would you call this a fair and just system of justice?! Who was responsible for the assassination of Mahathma Gandhi -the father of the Nation? Obviously you know the answer. Mahathma Gandhi preached and practiced intercommunal harmony, equality among people, including the low caste Hindus whom he named as Harijans (which means children of God). All human beings are (according to Gandhi) the children of one God and, therefore, all are equal
THE HINDU RELIGION FURTHER EXPOSED
Brahmins always criticize, condemn and mock other Religions, and they actually have the nerve to try to mock Al-Islam. Their criticism and mocking is unreasonable and unacceptable. In his autobiography, Dr. Charles, an American scholar says that it is very simple to define a Hindu. He says a Hindu means \"one who believes anything and everything if said in the name of God and shall never question its authenticity\". The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate Himself? Can He not understand His creation? Why should God become a donkey or a cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures?
LORD RAMA
Lord Rama is the central character of the Epic RAMAYANA (whose author was Valmiki). Rama is the son of Dasharath, the king of Banaras. Dasharath had three wives, Kaushaliya, Kaikeyi and Smitra besides several hundred concubines. According to the Ramayana, Rama spent most of his life trying to save his wife Sita from the clutches of Ravan. At the same time Rama was enjoying life to the full at every opportunity.
HOW RAMA WAS FOOLED BY SUKRIEVAN
When \"god\" Rama was exiled to the forest together with his wife, Sukrievan appeared as a deer and fooled \"god\" Rama. Although Rama was a \"god\", he was not able to see through Sukrievan\'s disguise.
12 YEARS FOR RAMA, BUT ONE DAY TO RAVAN
To retrieve his wife from devil Ravan, \'god\' Rama sought the help of Hanuman, a monkey \'god\'. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition that \'god\' Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to undertaking the mission.
It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the task, while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in just one day\'s time. Where is the bridge that Rama built? Who is more powerful- \'God\' Rama or devil Ravan? Would a \'god\' seek the help of another \'god\' to murder a third god?
If Hanuman could fly, carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown \'god\' Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita.
Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only \"devilish\" things! Before helping \'god\' Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help \'god\' Rama. How can a \"god\" indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?
MEAT-EATING RAMA
When \"god\" Rama was told to go to the forest, he mournfully revealed to his mother: It has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty MEAT-DISHES. (Ayothia Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).
Apastambha Dharma Sutra III, 10-26, says:
The tongue of a Shudra, who spoke evil about a BRAHMIN should be cut off A Shudra who dared to assume a position of equality with the first three castes was to be flogged. If a Shudra overheard a recitation of the Vedas, molten tin was to be poured into his ears; if he repeated the Vedas his tongue should be cut and if he remembered Vedic hymns, his body was to be torn into pieces.
MANU, 167-272 says:
If a Shudra arrogantly teaches Brahmins Dharma, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and ears.
Again, MANU, 167-272 says:
Let the king never slay even a Brahmin though he may have committed all possible crimes.
With all references to Vedas and Puranas, it would be appropriate to question: \"How fair is the system of administrating justice?\" Well, according to these Holy Books if a Brahmin commits a sin, he is forgiven, but on the contrary if a low caste Hindu commits a sin, he has to feed twenty Brahmins in order to expiate or erase his sin. Would you call this a fair and just system of justice?! Who was responsible for the assassination of Mahathma Gandhi -the father of the Nation? Obviously you know the answer. Mahathma Gandhi preached and practiced intercommunal harmony, equality among people, including the low caste Hindus whom he named as Harijans (which means children of God). All human beings are (according to Gandhi) the children of one God and, therefore, all are equal
THE HINDU RELIGION FURTHER EXPOSED
Brahmins always criticize, condemn and mock other Religions, and they actually have the nerve to try to mock Al-Islam. Their criticism and mocking is unreasonable and unacceptable. In his autobiography, Dr. Charles, an American scholar says that it is very simple to define a Hindu. He says a Hindu means \"one who believes anything and everything if said in the name of God and shall never question its authenticity\". The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate Himself? Can He not understand His creation? Why should God become a donkey or a cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures?
LORD RAMA
Lord Rama is the central character of the Epic RAMAYANA (whose author was Valmiki). Rama is the son of Dasharath, the king of Banaras. Dasharath had three wives, Kaushaliya, Kaikeyi and Smitra besides several hundred concubines. According to the Ramayana, Rama spent most of his life trying to save his wife Sita from the clutches of Ravan. At the same time Rama was enjoying life to the full at every opportunity.
HOW RAMA WAS FOOLED BY SUKRIEVAN
When \"god\" Rama was exiled to the forest together with his wife, Sukrievan appeared as a deer and fooled \"god\" Rama. Although Rama was a \"god\", he was not able to see through Sukrievan\'s disguise.
12 YEARS FOR RAMA, BUT ONE DAY TO RAVAN
To retrieve his wife from devil Ravan, \'god\' Rama sought the help of Hanuman, a monkey \'god\'. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition that \'god\' Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to undertaking the mission.
It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the task, while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in just one day\'s time. Where is the bridge that Rama built? Who is more powerful- \'God\' Rama or devil Ravan? Would a \'god\' seek the help of another \'god\' to murder a third god?
If Hanuman could fly, carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown \'god\' Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita.
Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only \"devilish\" things! Before helping \'god\' Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help \'god\' Rama. How can a \"god\" indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?
MEAT-EATING RAMA
When \"god\" Rama was told to go to the forest, he mournfully revealed to his mother: It has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty MEAT-DISHES. (Ayothia Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).
- James
- Guest
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Girls
1.1 FEMALE INFANTICIDE
Female infanticide arose from the general Vedic attitude towards women. The large dowries prescribed by the Vedas (see the section of dowries below) meant that a girl was seen as a burden. The woman who gave birth to a daughter was ashamed, and much stigma attached to a lady who only gave birth to daughters. Hence infanticide arose as a convenient way of getting rid of the \"burden.\"Aryan texts sanction this custom:
\"Tasmat striyam jatam parasyanti ut pumamsam haranti\"(Hence they reject a female child when born, and take up a male.) [Taitt. Samh. VI.5.10.3] [Muir I 26]
A recent U.N. report said that up to 50 million girls and women were missing from India’s population, the result of systematic discrimination extending to the abortion of female fetuses. [Verma 12.8.97] In 1921 there were more than 97 women for every 100 men in India. Seventy years later, the number dropped to 92.7 [Verma 12.8.97]
1.2 CHILD-MARRIAGE
Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70]. Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! –
\"A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner.\"[Manu IX.94]
This was meant to prevent any scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set on another, they should not be selected [Sheth 67].
2. Wives
2.1 BURNING OF WOMEN
2.1.1 Bride-Burning
This is often related to dowry, when the bride’s family cannot pay up to the amount demanded by the in-laws. Often the in-laws make demands in excess of those made at the time of marriage. When the deadline specified runs out, the bride is burned in often gruesome fashions. At least 5000 women die each year for not bringing in enough dowry. At least a dozen women die each day in `kitchen fires,’ which are often passed off as accidents, because their in-laws are not satisfied with their dowries. Only a few of the murderers are brought to justice. [Kitchen 1997]
2.1.2 Wife-Burning
A Hindu-Aryan husband could at any time accuse his wife of infidelity. In case the wife protests her innocence, the council of village elders would then order an ordeal by fire. The accused wife would be required to pass through a blazing flame. Not just death, but any signs of burns would be taken as a sign of guilt and the wife would then have to undergo the penalty for infidelity [EB 8:986 `ordeal’]. Adultery carries the death sentence in Aryan law, so either way she would have to pay with her life for her husband’s or elders’ mere suspicions. The ideal role model for this custom was Sita, Ram’s wife. She was required by her spouse, the \"ideal husband\"of the Hindus, to pass through the fire ordeal after her return from Sri Lanka.
1.1 FEMALE INFANTICIDE
Female infanticide arose from the general Vedic attitude towards women. The large dowries prescribed by the Vedas (see the section of dowries below) meant that a girl was seen as a burden. The woman who gave birth to a daughter was ashamed, and much stigma attached to a lady who only gave birth to daughters. Hence infanticide arose as a convenient way of getting rid of the \"burden.\"Aryan texts sanction this custom:
\"Tasmat striyam jatam parasyanti ut pumamsam haranti\"(Hence they reject a female child when born, and take up a male.) [Taitt. Samh. VI.5.10.3] [Muir I 26]
A recent U.N. report said that up to 50 million girls and women were missing from India’s population, the result of systematic discrimination extending to the abortion of female fetuses. [Verma 12.8.97] In 1921 there were more than 97 women for every 100 men in India. Seventy years later, the number dropped to 92.7 [Verma 12.8.97]
1.2 CHILD-MARRIAGE
Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70]. Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! –
\"A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner.\"[Manu IX.94]
This was meant to prevent any scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set on another, they should not be selected [Sheth 67].
2. Wives
2.1 BURNING OF WOMEN
2.1.1 Bride-Burning
This is often related to dowry, when the bride’s family cannot pay up to the amount demanded by the in-laws. Often the in-laws make demands in excess of those made at the time of marriage. When the deadline specified runs out, the bride is burned in often gruesome fashions. At least 5000 women die each year for not bringing in enough dowry. At least a dozen women die each day in `kitchen fires,’ which are often passed off as accidents, because their in-laws are not satisfied with their dowries. Only a few of the murderers are brought to justice. [Kitchen 1997]
2.1.2 Wife-Burning
A Hindu-Aryan husband could at any time accuse his wife of infidelity. In case the wife protests her innocence, the council of village elders would then order an ordeal by fire. The accused wife would be required to pass through a blazing flame. Not just death, but any signs of burns would be taken as a sign of guilt and the wife would then have to undergo the penalty for infidelity [EB 8:986 `ordeal’]. Adultery carries the death sentence in Aryan law, so either way she would have to pay with her life for her husband’s or elders’ mere suspicions. The ideal role model for this custom was Sita, Ram’s wife. She was required by her spouse, the \"ideal husband\"of the Hindus, to pass through the fire ordeal after her return from Sri Lanka.
- Sara
- Guest
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It is absolutely amazing and in a way shocking to see the amount of effort and time people spend on petty arguments. Arguments that will neither be resolved nor abandoned. Have you ever asked yourselves what is really important in your life other than your religion? It\'s everything. I may be treading on dangerous turf here, but how many of you really believe religion will bring you the sanctity and peace that you need in life? Religion is a non-deterministic affiliation that you cannot control. We are what we say we are, because we didn\'t have a choice, just like your name - It does not make one of us better than the other and it definitely does not make my religion better than yours only because it is mine. Every philosophy has it\'s positives and negatives. After all, these values were propounded thousands of years ago and most barely hold any consequence to our current lives. When it comes down to it, what is important is not what religious, cultural, or sexual preference you have, but the person you are and what you value. If you look closely enough, every philosophy preaches the same core values and principles. I believe we are (or hopefully can be) an intelligent enough society to pick out the good, leave the bad and work on bettering our lives and others\'. It is completely pointless bickering about trivial matters such as these. Try to open your mind to the wonders of living together as a society free of the evils of religious, social, economic, and sexual discrimination. Let us come together and try not to create a society of skin heads.
- conscious
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Raghu . sameer omar and Others
I have been reading your postings and I am slightly amused at the thought process of the so called minority community.
Sure Omar and sameer did a great job reading english versions of manu smriti etc. manu smriti has said treat woman badly! So what?
Some other upanishad has said something else. So what?
come on be practical guys! all these things are not being practised in India right now and that\'s what matters.You have Hindu women heading major financial institutions . You have muslim women playing a major role in parliament.
But I Can say one thing for sure no hindu ever follows these smritis etc. If that is the case hindu women would not be educated on par with hindu men and holding good positions.It is fine for all these sastras and smritis to say all these things but I think Hindu community is a very intelligent,logical community who are progressing only by the dint of their hard work and intelligence. Personally Ithink the objective of these postings is to denigrate hindu culture by indulging in a intellectual one upmanship.As a Hindu I don\'t care for I know that my religion is not fundamentalist in nature. On the other hand why should a woman wear a \"abaya\"? We are not following manu smriti or what ever one individual has said in the past. we are intelligent individuals capable of discriminating between good and bad. We are not going to do it just because Poojari in the temple has said something. there is no such thing as a Fatwa is hindu religion unlike in Islam where the Mullah wields a lot of authority on the comunity.
I see a hint of persecution mentality in some of the postings saying that Indian government is pro hindu. I think one should learn to take responsibility of life instead of blaming governments. If you are really good , let\'s say you are in top 1000 ranks in EAMCET can the government stop you from progressing in life? how can you blame the government and hindus if your own academic track record is not exactly fantastic.
So the muslims think hindus are the reason for their own poverty and backwardness.
I think at the risk of sounding casteist I think there is something eveyone should learn from the so called upper castes. Arguably it is most dificult for these people to get an admission. The reservations and the pseudo secular government have ensured that . But still they are progressing in life if the number of people who have left India is any indication. Open attacks have been launched in this forum on brahmins. But whether you like it or not this community has already overcome the obstacles posed by psuedo secularists and reservationists and still progressing to the dismay of others.This is not because they are brahmins , this is because they are hardworking intelligent individuals.
I think muslims should concentrate on improving their lot by self reliance rather than blame the neighbouring hindu family or the Government. Come On take charge of Life.One more thing I think you guys are wasting time reading old scriptures that even an orthodox hindu wouldn\'t read. I suggest you put the same effort in understanding stock markets and start investing. By the way there are no hindu stocks and muslim stocks there. So let me warn you that it is a simple case of meritocracy in the stock markets
I have been reading your postings and I am slightly amused at the thought process of the so called minority community.
Sure Omar and sameer did a great job reading english versions of manu smriti etc. manu smriti has said treat woman badly! So what?
Some other upanishad has said something else. So what?
come on be practical guys! all these things are not being practised in India right now and that\'s what matters.You have Hindu women heading major financial institutions . You have muslim women playing a major role in parliament.
But I Can say one thing for sure no hindu ever follows these smritis etc. If that is the case hindu women would not be educated on par with hindu men and holding good positions.It is fine for all these sastras and smritis to say all these things but I think Hindu community is a very intelligent,logical community who are progressing only by the dint of their hard work and intelligence. Personally Ithink the objective of these postings is to denigrate hindu culture by indulging in a intellectual one upmanship.As a Hindu I don\'t care for I know that my religion is not fundamentalist in nature. On the other hand why should a woman wear a \"abaya\"? We are not following manu smriti or what ever one individual has said in the past. we are intelligent individuals capable of discriminating between good and bad. We are not going to do it just because Poojari in the temple has said something. there is no such thing as a Fatwa is hindu religion unlike in Islam where the Mullah wields a lot of authority on the comunity.
I see a hint of persecution mentality in some of the postings saying that Indian government is pro hindu. I think one should learn to take responsibility of life instead of blaming governments. If you are really good , let\'s say you are in top 1000 ranks in EAMCET can the government stop you from progressing in life? how can you blame the government and hindus if your own academic track record is not exactly fantastic.
So the muslims think hindus are the reason for their own poverty and backwardness.
I think at the risk of sounding casteist I think there is something eveyone should learn from the so called upper castes. Arguably it is most dificult for these people to get an admission. The reservations and the pseudo secular government have ensured that . But still they are progressing in life if the number of people who have left India is any indication. Open attacks have been launched in this forum on brahmins. But whether you like it or not this community has already overcome the obstacles posed by psuedo secularists and reservationists and still progressing to the dismay of others.This is not because they are brahmins , this is because they are hardworking intelligent individuals.
I think muslims should concentrate on improving their lot by self reliance rather than blame the neighbouring hindu family or the Government. Come On take charge of Life.One more thing I think you guys are wasting time reading old scriptures that even an orthodox hindu wouldn\'t read. I suggest you put the same effort in understanding stock markets and start investing. By the way there are no hindu stocks and muslim stocks there. So let me warn you that it is a simple case of meritocracy in the stock markets
- Vijay
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Raghu . sameer omar and Others
I have been reading your postings and I am slightly amused at the thought process of the so called minority community.
Sure Omar and sameer did a great job reading english versions of manu smriti etc. manu smriti has said treat woman badly! So what?
Some other upanishad has said something else. So what?
come on be practical guys! all these things are not being practised in India right now and that\'s what matters.You have Hindu women heading major financial institutions . You have muslim women playing a major role in parliament.
But I Can say one thing for sure no hindu ever follows these smritis etc. If that is the case hindu women would not be educated on par with hindu men and holding good positions.It is fine for all these sastras and smritis to say all these things but I think Hindu community is a very intelligent,logical community who are progressing only by the dint of their hard work and intelligence. Personally Ithink the objective of these postings is to denigrate hindu culture by indulging in a intellectual one upmanship.As a Hindu I don\'t care for I know that my religion is not fundamentalist in nature. On the other hand why should a woman wear a \"abaya\"? We are not following manu smriti or what ever one individual has said in the past. we are intelligent individuals capable of discriminating between good and bad. We are not going to do it just because Poojari in the temple has said something. there is no such thing as a Fatwa is hindu religion unlike in Islam where the Mullah wields a lot of authority on the comunity.
I see a hint of persecution mentality in some of the postings saying that Indian government is pro hindu. I think one should learn to take responsibility of life instead of blaming governments. If you are really good , let\'s say you are in top 1000 ranks in EAMCET can the government stop you from progressing in life? how can you blame the government and hindus if your own academic track record is not exactly fantastic.
So the muslims think hindus are the reason for their own poverty and backwardness.
I think at the risk of sounding casteist I think there is something eveyone should learn from the so called upper castes. Arguably it is most dificult for these people to get an admission. The reservations and the pseudo secular government have ensured that . But still they are progressing in life if the number of people who have left India is any indication. Open attacks have been launched in this forum on brahmins. But whether you like it or not this community has already overcome the obstacles posed by psuedo secularists and reservationists and still progressing to the dismay of others.This is not because they are brahmins , this is because they are hardworking intelligent individuals.
I think muslims should concentrate on improving their lot by self reliance rather than blame the neighbouring hindu family or the Government. Come On take charge of Life.One more thing I think you guys are wasting time reading old scriptures that even an orthodox hindu wouldn\'t read. I suggest you put the same effort in understanding stock markets and start investing. By the way there are no hindu stocks and muslim stocks there. So let me warn you that it is a simple case of meritocracy in the stock markets
I have been reading your postings and I am slightly amused at the thought process of the so called minority community.
Sure Omar and sameer did a great job reading english versions of manu smriti etc. manu smriti has said treat woman badly! So what?
Some other upanishad has said something else. So what?
come on be practical guys! all these things are not being practised in India right now and that\'s what matters.You have Hindu women heading major financial institutions . You have muslim women playing a major role in parliament.
But I Can say one thing for sure no hindu ever follows these smritis etc. If that is the case hindu women would not be educated on par with hindu men and holding good positions.It is fine for all these sastras and smritis to say all these things but I think Hindu community is a very intelligent,logical community who are progressing only by the dint of their hard work and intelligence. Personally Ithink the objective of these postings is to denigrate hindu culture by indulging in a intellectual one upmanship.As a Hindu I don\'t care for I know that my religion is not fundamentalist in nature. On the other hand why should a woman wear a \"abaya\"? We are not following manu smriti or what ever one individual has said in the past. we are intelligent individuals capable of discriminating between good and bad. We are not going to do it just because Poojari in the temple has said something. there is no such thing as a Fatwa is hindu religion unlike in Islam where the Mullah wields a lot of authority on the comunity.
I see a hint of persecution mentality in some of the postings saying that Indian government is pro hindu. I think one should learn to take responsibility of life instead of blaming governments. If you are really good , let\'s say you are in top 1000 ranks in EAMCET can the government stop you from progressing in life? how can you blame the government and hindus if your own academic track record is not exactly fantastic.
So the muslims think hindus are the reason for their own poverty and backwardness.
I think at the risk of sounding casteist I think there is something eveyone should learn from the so called upper castes. Arguably it is most dificult for these people to get an admission. The reservations and the pseudo secular government have ensured that . But still they are progressing in life if the number of people who have left India is any indication. Open attacks have been launched in this forum on brahmins. But whether you like it or not this community has already overcome the obstacles posed by psuedo secularists and reservationists and still progressing to the dismay of others.This is not because they are brahmins , this is because they are hardworking intelligent individuals.
I think muslims should concentrate on improving their lot by self reliance rather than blame the neighbouring hindu family or the Government. Come On take charge of Life.One more thing I think you guys are wasting time reading old scriptures that even an orthodox hindu wouldn\'t read. I suggest you put the same effort in understanding stock markets and start investing. By the way there are no hindu stocks and muslim stocks there. So let me warn you that it is a simple case of meritocracy in the stock markets
- Vijay
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Raghu . sameer omar and Others
I have been reading your postings and I am slightly amused at the thought process of the so called minority community.
Sure Omar and sameer did a great job reading english versions of manu smriti etc. manu smriti has said treat woman badly! So what?
Some other upanishad has said something else. So what?
come on be practical guys! all these things are not being practised in India right now and that\'s what matters.You have Hindu women heading major financial institutions . You have muslim women playing a major role in parliament.
But I Can say one thing for sure no hindu ever follows these smritis etc. If that is the case hindu women would not be educated on par with hindu men and holding good positions.It is fine for all these sastras and smritis to say all these things but I think Hindu community is a very intelligent,logical community who are progressing only by the dint of their hard work and intelligence. Personally Ithink the objective of these postings is to denigrate hindu culture by indulging in a intellectual one upmanship.As a Hindu I don\'t care for I know that my religion is not fundamentalist in nature. On the other hand why should a woman wear a \"abaya\"? We are not following manu smriti or what ever one individual has said in the past. we are intelligent individuals capable of discriminating between good and bad. We are not going to do it just because Poojari in the temple has said something. there is no such thing as a Fatwa is hindu religion unlike in Islam where the Mullah wields a lot of authority on the comunity.
I see a hint of persecution mentality in some of the postings saying that Indian government is pro hindu. I think one should learn to take responsibility of life instead of blaming governments. If you are really good , let\'s say you are in top 1000 ranks in EAMCET can the government stop you from progressing in life? how can you blame the government and hindus if your own academic track record is not exactly fantastic.
So the muslims think hindus are the reason for their own poverty and backwardness.
I think at the risk of sounding casteist I think there is something eveyone should learn from the so called upper castes. Arguably it is most dificult for these people to get an admission. The reservations and the pseudo secular government have ensured that . But still they are progressing in life if the number of people who have left India is any indication. Open attacks have been launched in this forum on brahmins. But whether you like it or not this community has already overcome the obstacles posed by psuedo secularists and reservationists and still progressing to the dismay of others.This is not because they are brahmins , this is because they are hardworking intelligent individuals.
I think muslims should concentrate on improving their lot by self reliance rather than blame the neighbouring hindu family or the Government. Come On take charge of Life.One more thing I think you guys are wasting time reading old scriptures that even an orthodox hindu wouldn\'t read. I suggest you put the same effort in understanding stock markets and start investing. By the way there are no hindu stocks and muslim stocks there. So let me warn you that it is a simple case of meritocracy in the stock markets
I have been reading your postings and I am slightly amused at the thought process of the so called minority community.
Sure Omar and sameer did a great job reading english versions of manu smriti etc. manu smriti has said treat woman badly! So what?
Some other upanishad has said something else. So what?
come on be practical guys! all these things are not being practised in India right now and that\'s what matters.You have Hindu women heading major financial institutions . You have muslim women playing a major role in parliament.
But I Can say one thing for sure no hindu ever follows these smritis etc. If that is the case hindu women would not be educated on par with hindu men and holding good positions.It is fine for all these sastras and smritis to say all these things but I think Hindu community is a very intelligent,logical community who are progressing only by the dint of their hard work and intelligence. Personally Ithink the objective of these postings is to denigrate hindu culture by indulging in a intellectual one upmanship.As a Hindu I don\'t care for I know that my religion is not fundamentalist in nature. On the other hand why should a woman wear a \"abaya\"? We are not following manu smriti or what ever one individual has said in the past. we are intelligent individuals capable of discriminating between good and bad. We are not going to do it just because Poojari in the temple has said something. there is no such thing as a Fatwa is hindu religion unlike in Islam where the Mullah wields a lot of authority on the comunity.
I see a hint of persecution mentality in some of the postings saying that Indian government is pro hindu. I think one should learn to take responsibility of life instead of blaming governments. If you are really good , let\'s say you are in top 1000 ranks in EAMCET can the government stop you from progressing in life? how can you blame the government and hindus if your own academic track record is not exactly fantastic.
So the muslims think hindus are the reason for their own poverty and backwardness.
I think at the risk of sounding casteist I think there is something eveyone should learn from the so called upper castes. Arguably it is most dificult for these people to get an admission. The reservations and the pseudo secular government have ensured that . But still they are progressing in life if the number of people who have left India is any indication. Open attacks have been launched in this forum on brahmins. But whether you like it or not this community has already overcome the obstacles posed by psuedo secularists and reservationists and still progressing to the dismay of others.This is not because they are brahmins , this is because they are hardworking intelligent individuals.
I think muslims should concentrate on improving their lot by self reliance rather than blame the neighbouring hindu family or the Government. Come On take charge of Life.One more thing I think you guys are wasting time reading old scriptures that even an orthodox hindu wouldn\'t read. I suggest you put the same effort in understanding stock markets and start investing. By the way there are no hindu stocks and muslim stocks there. So let me warn you that it is a simple case of meritocracy in the stock markets
- Vijay
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
It’s glad to see that the muslim writers on this topic seems to have acquainted a lot of knowledge on Islam, Quran and it’s related traditions and aspects. I wish to see more and more muslims drawn towards these issues and keep themselves away from the normal and competitive world. It’s easy to provoke them, just say a word against their religion and they will freak out, that’s how one can divert their concentration from normal education. BTW, Islam is the only religion, which teaches hate. Only they have the term called “Infidels”, the one who dose not believe in their god. See, now I have provoked all the muslims who read this message.
- anil
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Dear James I congratulate u for reading the story of Rama. Sita and Rama were separated only for a period of one year by Ravana. It took only one year to get Sita back after killing Ravana. Rama is not just a physical entity. He represents the best of human behaviour. He and Sita represent Purush and Prakriti, the matter and Energy. Iam happy this chat is a great one as it is giving us an opportunity to exchange our ideas and help in our evolution. We should not be carried away by the text of these great books be it hindu or islamic. What is to be appreciated is the thought and the sincerity of those who were free to express their opinions. Iam sure most of the rules and codes mentioned were not actually practiced on a mass scale.As otherwise India would not have survived for so long.
- ramakrishna
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
yes vijay, I totally agre with you. These guys are debating as if they are living in prehistoric times. What is written where hardly matters.What matters is the the present situation Guys this is 21st century.Open your minds up.Think rational.Dont get stuck up in religious rhtetoric. Think progressive.Pray to whatever god you are comfortable with but dont attempt to downgrade any religion just becoz you dont follow it.
- ds
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
lol... you are one of those infested bloody fool who could think nothing then infedels. Because you are one of them who want to harm us and our religion. Yes YOUR ARE AN INFEDEL.
- Ayub
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Hi I am a Muslim and I know what we get to learn in Islam and I am ashamed to say this but then We always try to hurt others and we are selfish people trying to overpower others and I shld say that in todays\'s world all the warship is happening b\'cos of my other muslim brothers and we feel great abt it !! I donot know for what ...I would say I never heard some Hindu fighting for there religion ..but then I always see and witness so much hate with in us for others...I wish I was not a a Muslim and I am sure there are so many others muslim brothers who feel the same ...
- Nawas
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
What is a religion ? Set of rules to be followed in order to keep ourself happy(in other words,we reach God). Help others, respect elders etc. r basic rules of any religion. Why are these useful ? If u respect ur mother, she will be happy, so that she can look after ur family properly and ur family will be happy. Dont expect anything in return is one the basic concepts. Why ? I help my friend and i expect that he should help me. Once I ask him fo rhelp and he cannot help me. I become angry and lose friendship. But we r such hopeless rouges that we cannot think that \"he coudn\'t help me bcos he has another work\". We dont folow basic concepts and we speak about religion. Learn to help others. Now it a fashion for ppl to tell that \"When I earn good amount, I will help poor people\". The concept of donation is different atleast as per Vedic principles. Donation means to sacrifice ur wishes in order to help others. When I have everything, nothing gr8 to give away a part for others. Child marriage etc. r wrong. For example: ur parents want u to get good marks. they tell u always that u ahve to study. But u dont come out with good marks. Is that the msitake of ur parents or urs ? Dont blame religions.It is the mistake of ppl who can\'t implement the priciples properly. Hinduism. What is it ? It is the name given by Muhhamadians and Christians to the ppl who practise this religion on the other side of river Indus. Vedas r sources of knowledge. hinduism is the reason based religion. U can think and question what has been told. Whereas many other religions are faith based religions. U blindly follow what has been told and with (some preachers)wrong interpretation sometimes. Reagarding, women freedom. What does it mean ? Different levels of freedom. I will come back to it. The other concept of any religion is not to hurt others. If ur wife goes to office, hang - over or studies, thatz fine. but she should not do the work which hurts entire family or atleast u. This is where degree of women freedom varies according to time, not according to religion. Please try to realise urself. Try to be good ppl. Later we can discuss about religions. Then question arises why we have to believe in god ? Not necessary. If u r a right person and can do good things and control urself, absolutely not necessary to believe in God. For example, if are broughtup in a good family, there is atleast 99% chance u will be a thief when u r grown up. A person broughtup in theieves family, most of the cases he will be a thief. To create a good environment,religion asks u to worship God. If u r engaged in religious activities, ur environment will be good and u will be a good person. People r using the word \"Religion\" in order to cover their mistakes. US is doing war on Afgahanistan for its personal benefits. The deal between US and Arab world is in oil resources and drugs.
- AmarAkbarAnthony
- Guest
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Presently Hindu women are enjoying their rights and the muslim women are waiting for their chance.
- mrk
- Registered User
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Great anil u r perfectly right, your theory has worked... see ayubs mail.
- Atul
- Registered User
HINDU Women VS MUSLIM Women
Wow Nawas, you are so outspoken. I really appreciate that. One thing I want to say is that -it\'s all in your hands. It is up to you make things work around. See, I am an infidel and you can be one too... God is something made up by humans for their own needs. Different people made different gods, and thus the various religions. Yeah, and coming to the topic... I don\'t even know what the Quran looks like, so sorry I can\'t quote any verses. But one thing I know from my observation is that Muslim women are undermined by the male-dominant Islamic rules. I was once at my friend\'s sister\'s marriage (he was a Muslim). There were 2 guys sitting behind me and we were all there for the marriage apparently. And guess what they were discussing??? About some prostitutes in Hyd... And how one fellow was interested in trying one. Till then I used to think Muslims are so orthodox that they are willing to give their lives for God. But what did you infer from this incident?? They are pervs like any other male. They impose all sorts of rules for the women (burkhas, GOSHA, unemployment etc.) (by \"they\" I mean people who made them - I\'m sure they are male!). On the contrary, Hindu women are given much freedom. Look at all the working women - most of them are Hindus. Gimme a break - first of all Muslim boys don\'t go to school like I mentioned in another board. Each family has like 10 kids and they can\'t afford education. Why talk about Muslim women, man? They don\'t even come into the picture. One or two might be working but virtually it\'s negligible. Every religious book has a different set of rules to govern sexual life. What is important is how much freedom women are given to break the rules. A Hindu woman can do so freely but can a Muslim do it? The answer is invariably NO... Gimme a break again - in Afghan (an Islamic country), music was banned \'cos it was against the religion - why talk about women\'s rights man!!??!!
- sunny
- Registered User
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